Kmar
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“Thirty one of 53 girls between 14 and 17 have children, are pregnant or both,” CPS spokesman Patrick Crimmins said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7372485.stm
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdM … QD90B4MU00
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — More than half the teen girls taken from a polygamist compound in west Texas have children or are pregnant, state officials said Monday.

A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. Two of those are pregnant now, he said; it was unclear whether either of those two already have children.

"It shows you a pretty distinct pattern, that it was pretty pervasive," he said.

State officials took custody of all 463 children at the ranch controlled by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, saying a pattern of teen girls forced into underage "spiritual" marriages and sex with much older men created an unsafe environment for the sect's children.

Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of these girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law.

A call seeking comment from FLDS spokesman Rod Parker was not immediately returned. Church officials have denied that any children were abused at the ranch and say the state's actions are a form of religious persecution.

Civil-liberties groups and lawyers for the children have criticized the state for sweeping all the children, from nursing infants to teen boys, into foster care when only teen girls are alleged to have been sexually abused.

No one has been charged since the raid, which was prompted by a series of calls to a domestic abuse hotline, purportedly from a 16-year-old forced into a marriage recognized only by the sect with a man three times her age. That girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the call was a hoax.

On Monday, CPS also revised its total count of children in state custody to 463, up one from Friday. Azar said the change resulted from finally getting the children out of the San Angelo Coliseum and into foster facilities around the state, where they were able to get a more accurate count.

Of those 463 children, 250 are girls and 213 are boys.

The sect, which broke from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints more than a century ago, believes polygamy brings glorification in heaven. Its leader, Warren Jeffs, is revered as a prophet. Jeffs was convicted last year in Utah of forcing a 14-year-old girl into marriage with an older cousin.
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AussieReaper
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Poor girls. Hope the bastard cult members pay for this.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Kmar
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Poor girls. Hope the bastard cult members pay for this.
Apparently the ascent into heaven requires sex with children.. sad.
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Flaming_Maniac
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Abortion or not?
nukchebi0
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In this case, any crap about "religious freedom" should be disregarded. Teen girls are not emotionally mature enough to give birth.
Kmar
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Abortion or not?
Two are pregnant now.. tough call either way.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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Kmarion wrote:

Apparently the ascent into heaven requires sex with children.. sad.
Sex with children?  Or polygamy?

nukchebi0 wrote:

In this case, any crap about "religious freedom" should be disregarded. Teen girls are not emotionally mature enough to give birth.
Religious freedom does not cover rape, sexual abuse, etc...  It never has.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-28 22:18:24)

Kmar
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SenorToenails wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Apparently the ascent into heaven requires sex with children.. sad.
Sex with children?  Or polygamy?
Either or. Whether it be child abuse or dumping on equal rights.
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nukchebi0
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SenorToenails wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Apparently the ascent into heaven requires sex with children.. sad.
Sex with children?  Or polygamy?

nukchebi0 wrote:

In this case, any crap about "religious freedom" should be disregarded. Teen girls are not emotionally mature enough to give birth.
Religious freedom does not cover rape, sexual abuse, etc...  It never has.
Was it rape? I thought it was ostensibly consensual.

Edit: Oh, lol, it is. I forgot about that law.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2008-04-28 22:26:22)

Kmar
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nukchebi0 wrote:

Edit: Oh, lol, it is. I forgot about that law.
Apparently they did also.

Remember how this started..

Detectives raided the ranch after a 16-year-old girl called an abuse hotline saying she had been beaten and raped by her 50-year-old husband.
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nukchebi0
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Kmarion wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Edit: Oh, lol, it is. I forgot about that law.
Apparently they did also.
Very, very funny.

+1

The whole thing about religious freedom and violating it was because I had heard some of the cult mothers, older ones, were upset at the state intervention. Was that even true?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
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Kmarion wrote:

Remember how this started..

Detectives raided the ranch after a 16-year-old girl called an abuse hotline saying she had been beaten and raped by her 50-year-old husband.
Wasn't that a 'prank' call from some woman in Colorado?

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-28 22:30:19)

Kmar
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SenorToenails wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Remember how this started..

Detectives raided the ranch after a 16-year-old girl called an abuse hotline saying she had been beaten and raped by her 50-year-old husband.
Wasn't that a 'prank' call from some woman in Colorado?
A pretty damn accurate prank it would seem.
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SenorToenails wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Remember how this started..

Detectives raided the ranch after a 16-year-old girl called an abuse hotline saying she had been beaten and raped by her 50-year-old husband.
Wasn't that a 'prank' call from some woman in Colorado?
I was thinking the same thing, I keep hearing in the news about how this woman who dropped the dime on them is a big faker.

Seems these  numbers make that irrelevant.

The whole thing is pretty twisted and sad

At least they " broke it up " so to speak

F-^%ing cults.
Reciprocity
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religion, as a whole, is nothing more than a haven for at best, horny old pervs, at worst, sexual predators.
Kmar
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Anyone who says that a 13 year old consented to sex with grandpa is an idiot.
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nukchebi0
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Hence the word "ostensibly".

Of course, the laws reflect this (correct) line of thinking.
Kmar
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nukchebi0 wrote:

Hence the word "ostensibly".

Of course, the laws reflect this (correct) line of thinking.
Just saying in general.. not directed at you.
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nukchebi0
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Kmarion wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Hence the word "ostensibly".

Of course, the laws reflect this (correct) line of thinking.
Just saying in general.. not directed at you.
Oh, sorry. The juxtaposition was a little misleading.
ATG
Banned
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What's obvious is that Mormons start breeding young.
Brigham Young University isn't aka Bring 'em Young for nothing.

What's also obvious is that this did not work before, and it will not work this time.

These people in Texas, are the fucking children of the people arrested in 1956 for the same shit. These people in Texas, these wild eyed baby molesters were once in foster care too. The government didn't change beliefs then, proving once again only that is stuck on stupid.

Ya'll don't get it; the people of Utah were ALL once polygamist.

The U.S. government said to Utah; " you stoopid red neck fuckers can renounce your beliefs and live lives approved by the state, or we shall surround Salt Lake City and bombard your asses until you are all dead or in prison. Do what we say and we shall call you a state and you can send us taxes.. "

The cowardly ones agreed. That is how Utah became a state.

The FDLS said to themselves and to each other; " gee, them soldiers says our religion is wrong. But we believe this is how God wants us to live, and if they kill us, so be it. At least we will honor our faith and not  change it at gun point

You see, a man who changes his beliefs about God when an authority figure tells him to, has no beliefs at all.  The Bible is full of stories about people suffering to do Gods will.

These people will die before they change.


Their parents ( the people now without their children ) went to prison, and did not change. These adults were once wards of the state, and they did not change.

They won't. You can't make them, and there ain't a fucking thing you can do about it. You would be better off trying to convince Hamas that those pesky Jews are really a bunch of great neighbors.

But go ahead, do your best. Think of the children.

Whatever, Iraq will be just fine and our economy is fantastic.


lol.


http://books.google.com/books?id=0N6C_H … #PPA178,M1

Last edited by ATG (2008-04-28 23:25:16)

Kmar
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Less to do with changing beliefs.. more to do with protecting children. There's no excuse.. not even "Whatever, Iraq will be just fine and our economy is fantastic."
... I mean seriously wtf?

"God wants us to live, and if they kill us, so be it."
So be it is right.

"At least we will honor our faith and  not  change it at gun point "
There is no honor in grown men screwing children.

.."because they stuck to their beliefs"
To think that is admirable is fucking sick.


"can renounce your beliefs and live lives approved by the state,"...
As in no more having sex with kids?...what a horrible thing to force onto people.. completely overboard now.
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Scorpion0x17
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Kmarion wrote:

"At least we will honor our faith and  not  change it at gun point "
There is no honor in grown men screwing children.
They just define when a child becomes an adult differently.


Oh, and I believe ATG was presenting their beliefs, not his.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-04-28 23:48:04)

SenorToenails
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

"At least we will honor our faith and  not  change it at gun point "
There is no honor in grown men screwing children.
They just define when a child becomes an adult differently.
Freedom of religion does not allow disregard for the laws of the state.  If that means they have to deal with defined ages for adulthood, then so be it.
Scorpion0x17
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SenorToenails wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

"At least we will honor our faith and  not  change it at gun point "
There is no honor in grown men screwing children.
They just define when a child becomes an adult differently.
Freedom of religion does not allow disregard for the laws of the state.  If that means they have to deal with defined ages for adulthood, then so be it.
Oh, I agree, but the law regarding the age at which a 'child' becomes an 'adult' is totally arbitrary, to a degree - as this case shows, girls, and some boys, often reach sexual maturity before the age of 14.
Kmar
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

"At least we will honor our faith and  not  change it at gun point "
There is no honor in grown men screwing children.
They just define when a child becomes an adult differently.


Oh, and I believe ATG was presenting their beliefs, not his.
Hope so. He has been awfully defensive of these guys lately. I had as well.. at least as far as waiting for evidence.
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