I thought they were already.JahManRed wrote:
Imagine the Bush/Enron/Prince Bandar family in charge of all the oil. eeeek!
You would have lots more oil tankers called Condalisa and not much else would change.
Yep. You like having the government play a large role in your life. I do not.Varegg wrote:
About 3 times as much as you guys but then again i also earn very much more than you and have more social benefits than you in return for the taxes i pay - it's a balanced system that works for the entire population ...
And it not comparable like black or white you know, you can't make an argument over what would happen over night for such a process would never come to pass in that manor ... besides "our" way isn't necessarily the best solution for the US but it works for us ...
Nah, Norway's got it right. Seriously.SenorToenails wrote:
Yep. You like having the government play a large role in your life. I do not.Varegg wrote:
About 3 times as much as you guys but then again i also earn very much more than you and have more social benefits than you in return for the taxes i pay - it's a balanced system that works for the entire population ...
And it not comparable like black or white you know, you can't make an argument over what would happen over night for such a process would never come to pass in that manor ... besides "our" way isn't necessarily the best solution for the US but it works for us ...
Norway could pull this off right, we could not.
I have a distant relative that has a genetic research lab in Larvik (I think). It's great over there from the little exposure I've had with her family.
Then you need to read up on how our government works ... they can play a large role in my life when or if i need it, i can agree that some things are over regulated but all the benefits put together more than weighs up for the small losses ...SenorToenails wrote:
Yep. You like having the government play a large role in your life. I do not.Varegg wrote:
About 3 times as much as you guys but then again i also earn very much more than you and have more social benefits than you in return for the taxes i pay - it's a balanced system that works for the entire population ...
And it not comparable like black or white you know, you can't make an argument over what would happen over night for such a process would never come to pass in that manor ... besides "our" way isn't necessarily the best solution for the US but it works for us ...
And this is not only because Norway is making more money than we can spend atm, it's the basis of a long line of social reforms and politics formed since the end of WW2 ...
And it's not like the populace of the US haven't given up on some key issues regulating their lives by the government ...
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I'm actually not too opposed to this concept...or at least a hybrid of it.
Cap profits at a reasonable level, then give everything above that to the government to either subsidize alternative fuel research or something similar.
Much as it pains my capitalist self to admit that. But monopolies are anti-capitalist, as well.
Cap profits at a reasonable level, then give everything above that to the government to either subsidize alternative fuel research or something similar.
Much as it pains my capitalist self to admit that. But monopolies are anti-capitalist, as well.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It is a little ironic that monopolies - the absence of competition - are the ultimate upshot of unfettered capitalism.FEOS wrote:
I'm actually not too opposed to this concept...or at least a hybrid of it.
Cap profits at a reasonable level, then give everything above that to the government to either subsidize alternative fuel research or something similar.
Much as it pains my capitalist self to admit that. But monopolies are anti-capitalist, as well.
QFECameronPoe wrote:
It is a little ironic that monopolies - the absence of competition - are the ultimate upshot of unfettered capitalism.FEOS wrote:
I'm actually not too opposed to this concept...or at least a hybrid of it.
Cap profits at a reasonable level, then give everything above that to the government to either subsidize alternative fuel research or something similar.
Much as it pains my capitalist self to admit that. But monopolies are anti-capitalist, as well.
Unfettered capitalism. aka Iraq war.
i would completely agree with the push for nationalization, but as several have mentioned, the govt is no more likely to pass along the wealth than the corporations. the govt created the corporations with banking acts, and the corporations built the armies that protect the govt. its just one beast, try as they might to teach you their criminal rationalizations on the corporate media and in public education (lol, their doublethink fairy tail about the duality between liberalism and conservatism). you dont have to be very smart to discover how capitalist corporations become governments and how governments become profiteers.
we need to set some ground rules pretty soon. for example, anybody that claims to own an unreasonable amount of human wealth, say 200% of what the poorest people have, must redistribute their wealth to the people that are creating it: ie, your factory workers, farmers, name the industry. anybody found amassing such wealth without distributing it amongst the people that actually created it will be exiled on the basis of exploitation, theft, or empire building. we live in a world of finite resources. thus, anything you have is something that another person cannot have. this only becomes a problem when you have douchebags that think their bank credit entitles them to the wealth of 10,000 people. call it stealing, call it hubris, these people are obviously criminals.
it also shouldnt be legal to pay below minimum wage overseas. how much outsourcing do you think we would have seen if that had been the rule all along?
lastly, we need banking reform. the money supply must only be increased as the real economy expands (in terms of lbs of wheat, barrels of oil, etc) and the process of calculating economic expansion and producing currency must be utterly transparent. all of the raw data used must be constantly available to the public.
we also need a real democracy.
we need to set some ground rules pretty soon. for example, anybody that claims to own an unreasonable amount of human wealth, say 200% of what the poorest people have, must redistribute their wealth to the people that are creating it: ie, your factory workers, farmers, name the industry. anybody found amassing such wealth without distributing it amongst the people that actually created it will be exiled on the basis of exploitation, theft, or empire building. we live in a world of finite resources. thus, anything you have is something that another person cannot have. this only becomes a problem when you have douchebags that think their bank credit entitles them to the wealth of 10,000 people. call it stealing, call it hubris, these people are obviously criminals.
it also shouldnt be legal to pay below minimum wage overseas. how much outsourcing do you think we would have seen if that had been the rule all along?
lastly, we need banking reform. the money supply must only be increased as the real economy expands (in terms of lbs of wheat, barrels of oil, etc) and the process of calculating economic expansion and producing currency must be utterly transparent. all of the raw data used must be constantly available to the public.
we also need a real democracy.
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We currently pay about $1.50 a LITRE for petrol. Which comes to about $6 a gallon.
So quit ya bitchin yanks
So quit ya bitchin yanks
seriously what are we going to do? Until people are to broke to buy gas, its going to keep going up
No, we need to get the idiots out of office who think the US is a democracy. Get the Republic back.Marinejuana wrote:
we also need a real democracy.
There aren't many in power that behave like we are a democracy or a republic. Our government is mostly run as a plutocracy.imortal wrote:
No, we need to get the idiots out of office who think the US is a democracy. Get the Republic back.Marinejuana wrote:
we also need a real democracy.
"Getting the republic back" isn't going to happen unless we actually overthrow the government, but even then, the revolutionaries would probably end up being dictators.
In other words... we're kind of fucked. The way to the power is money. If you can't beat 'em... join 'em.
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