BF2S Forums How to Deal with the FLDS

Turquoise wrote:

Well, between the original government siege, the article Kmarion posted, and now this story...  http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/30/pol … index.html

can we now agree that allowing cults like the FLDS to exist is a bad idea?  I was implicated as being a Nazi for suggesting the government intervene to end these cults, but maybe some of you would like to change your position on this?

As B. Schuss explained in that other thread, if we allow these kinds of cults in our society, they will often become breeding grounds for abuse and brainwashing.  My suggestion is that we stop allowing them, so we can prevent these problems from occuring in the first place.

Any thoughts?

Yeah, and lets kill all the gays while we're at it you Nazi.

yes, absolutely allow any and ALL cults to exist in our society.    if this isn't the case, then we are not a free people.

also, i said that because it seems you are lumping all cults into a group that perform illegal activities.  you might rephrase your thoughts by saying "all cults/religions/groups that practice illegal activity should not exist."  such a statement i'd agree with as it is protected by our constitutional ideals.

As Schuss pointed out, allowing cults to exist allows people to separate themselves from the rest of society.  Because of this, abuse can go on unhindered.

My argument is that you must be somewhat open to the rest of society to live in a functioning free society.  Like anything, there are rational limits to freedom.

These children that grow up in cults are not free by any stretch of the imagination, and because of this, I value their own freedom over that of their crazy parents.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9106612?source=rss

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The problem is where does it stop. Catholics were also abusing small children, do we get rid of that cult too?

Catholics do not live in isolated ranches.  If they did, I would advocate the same.

All isolated ranches are bad. Got it.

Isolated ranches that have cults or any ideology that leads to the bizarre and typically abusive behavior of a cult.

For example, I don't care if Billy Bob and a small family of his lives out in the country.  However, if he runs his own cult (or something like that), then it is a problem.

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Catholics do not live in isolated ranches.  If they did, I would advocate the same.

All isolated ranches are bad. Got it.

Isolated ranches that have cults or any ideology that leads to the bizarre and typically abusive behavior of a cult.

For example, I don't care if Billy Bob and a small family of his lives out in the country.  However, if he runs his own cult (or something like that), then it is a problem.

How is it a problem?

Illegal activity is always a problem, no matter where. I can't understand at all how illegal activities that took place in an isolated area made them worse than illegal activities that happened under our own noses.

Drawing lines to prevent people from breaking laws is a very scary proposition.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The problem is where does it stop. Catholics were also abusing small children, do we get rid of that cult too?.

Don't forget to add boy/girl scouts. Cultist bastards. Freedom is a double edged sword.

There is just as much potential for abuse in those programs as in the Church and these cults. The difference is the former is strongly against it and takes serious measures to prevent it (loads of adult training necessary, no one child one adult interaction, etc.), the Church is strongly against it and takes no steps to prevent it, and the latter says meh whatever. But to declare one illegal and remove it before anything illegal has done is obscene unless you do the same for all.

*shakes head*  If the law is written correctly, then several conditions would be fleshed out.

The Boy Scouts don't completely isolate their community in a ranch.  They just periodically meet and have their outside lives.

Do you guys really see no distinctions here?

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

All isolated ranches are bad. Got it.

Isolated ranches that have cults or any ideology that leads to the bizarre and typically abusive behavior of a cult.

For example, I don't care if Billy Bob and a small family of his lives out in the country.  However, if he runs his own cult (or something like that), then it is a problem.

How is it a problem?

Illegal activity is always a problem, no matter where. I can't understand at all how illegal activities that took place in an isolated area made them worse than illegal activities that happened under our own noses.

Drawing lines to prevent people from breaking laws is a very scary proposition.

Lines have to be drawn, because if a community is isolated like the FLDS, then the only way crimes can be prevented is from basically...  someone making a prank call.  I don't want to have to depend on pranksters to get the law's attention on something.

Can we shut down Salt Lake City while we're at it.  They are just a big isolated LDS cult with underwear that has special powers, underwear dammit just think about that!  Shriners also need to pay the price too, googy hatted small car whores.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Can we shut down Salt Lake City while we're at it.  They are just a big isolated LDS cult with underwear that has special powers, underwear dammit just think about that!  Shriners also need to pay the price too, googy hatted small car whores.

It's funny you should mention that.  The Mormons started out as a cult, but we forced them into mainstream society.  This was a good thing for both them and us.  They evolved into a more sensible religion as a result.

Turquoise wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Can we shut down Salt Lake City while we're at it.  They are just a big isolated LDS cult with underwear that has special powers, underwear dammit just think about that!  Shriners also need to pay the price too, googy hatted small car whores.

It's funny you should mention that.  The Mormons started out as a cult, but we forced them into mainstream society.  This was a good thing for both them and us.  They evolved into a more sensible religion as a result.

Shit yeah, they have special underwear with powers.  You wanna be the one that goes up against that crazy shit when you try to arrest them?

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Making laws to prevent situations that could lead to illegal activity is insane.

Why do we even allow alcohol consumption? Drunk driving kills hundreds, maybe thousands a year, and driving while drunk is illegal, but you can't arrest someone for having car keys at a bar?

Turquise, who gave you the right to declare what is sane and what isn't? Dude..."sensible religion"?

I'm in favor of mandatory breathalizers on cars.  Sure, you can get around them, but they would have a net effect of making driving safer.

It's actually not that hard to clinically prove that a sect is based on mental instability when it chooses to separate itself from society at large.