BF2S Forums How to Deal with the FLDS

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm in favor of mandatory breathalizers on cars.  Sure, you can get around them, but they would have a net effect of making driving safer.

It's actually not that hard to clinically prove that a sect is based on mental instability when it chooses to separate itself from society at large.

So why don't we arrest people at bars for having car keys?

Choosing yourself to separate yourself is not insanity. Not even close.

First question: Because not everyone gets drunk enough to be a hazard.

Second question: Alright.  Let's be more specific.  Living like it's the 1800s isn't insanity?

Extrapolate to this situation.

I don't see you trying to arrest Amish people.

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, because the Amish have a policy of allowing their young adults to experience the outside world for a time so that they can choose to stay with their families or leave for mainstream society.

That is a permissible cult in my eyes because of this outside contact.

The Amish are awesome anyway. If they want to live that way, it's cool. They're not bothering anyone else, and stay within their quaint, little villages.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The problem is where does it stop. Catholics were also abusing small children, do we get rid of that cult too?

Truth.

Kmarion wrote:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9106612?source=rss

Ever known any boys raised on a farm?

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

How is it a problem?

Illegal activity is always a problem, no matter where. I can't understand at all how illegal activities that took place in an isolated area made them worse than illegal activities that happened under our own noses.

Drawing lines to prevent people from breaking laws is a very scary proposition.

Lines have to be drawn, because if a community is isolated like the FLDS, then the only way crimes can be prevented is from basically...  someone making a prank call.  I don't want to have to depend on pranksters to get the law's attention on something.

Making laws to prevent situations that could lead to illegal activity is insane.

Why do we even allow alcohol consumption? Drunk driving kills hundreds, maybe thousands a year, and driving while drunk is illegal, but you can't arrest someone for having car keys at a bar?

Turquise, who gave you the right to declare what is sane and what isn't? Dude..."sensible religion"?

He is ignoring real issues, like automatic yearly spending increases by the governments, ethanol induced food shortages, foreign ownership of U.S. banks, America borrowing money to fight a war in a country awash in oil dollars and send out stimulus checks. Insolvent social security, runaway illegal immigration...etc. etc. etc.

In other words, the government has got him right where they want him; focused on non-important issues and with his head firmly implanted north of his rectal orifice as they spend and borrow our way to ruin.

Maybe I should make a thread, like ask the FDLS or something.

I mean, what do you guys want to know?




Hey, at least they didn't come in, guns blazing, like they did in Waco, or be met with steel like they did when they came to take the children away from my 3rd cousin John Singer.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jsinger.htm

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9106612?source=rss

Ever known any boys raised on a farm?

Just my Dad and the entire side of my Moms family (cousins, nephews, ..uncles). I agree with the "concern" part. I'm not passing judgment as of yet, but it is part of a broader picture that is looking to be very ugly.

"The sexual abuse claim was based on interviews with children and journals found at the ranch."
Should we not be at least concerned?

ATG wrote:

He is ignoring real issues, like automatic yearly spending increases by the governments, ethanol induced food shortages, foreign ownership of U.S. banks, America borrowing money to fight a war in a country awash in oil dollars and send out stimulus checks. Insolvent social security, runaway illegal immigration...etc. etc. etc.

I've made several posts addressing most of those issues.  I'm not exactly "ignoring" them.  You seem to enjoy defending child abusers though.

ATG wrote:

In other words, the government has got him right where they want him; focused on non-important issues and with his head firmly implanted north of his rectal orifice as they spend and borrow our way to ruin.

How many times have I advocated for less federal spending?  Just because I take an interest in proactive policies against these cults, it doesn't mean I ignore other issues.

ATG wrote:

Maybe I should make a thread, like ask the FDLS or something.

I mean, what do you guys want to know?

I'd like to know how much they've brainwashed you, because you're starting to show signs of it.

ATG wrote:

Hey, at least they didn't come in, guns blazing, like they did in Waco, or be met with steel like they did when they came to take the children away from my 3rd cousin John Singer.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jsinger.htm

That explains quite a lot, actually.  It would appear Singer replaced one sick ideology (Nazism) with another (fundamentalist Mormonism).

Perhaps, mental instability is somewhat in your genetic code.

The very suggestion of going beyond the criminal code when imprisoning citizens of the US because we consider their viewpoints strange is extremely frightening.  The day we do that, we are no longer a free nation.

Stingray24 wrote:

The very suggestion of going beyond the criminal code when imprisoning citizens of the US because we consider their viewpoints strange is extremely frightening.  The day we do that, we are no longer a free nation.

Polygamy is illegal.  That's part of the criminal code.

You are right that we shouldn't go beyond the criminal code, which is why I'm suggesting it to be changed in order to disband these cults.

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, because the Amish have a policy of allowing their young adults to experience the outside world for a time so that they can choose to stay with their families or leave for mainstream society.

That is a permissible cult in my eyes because of this outside contact.

New law: All cults must apply for a permit to Turquoise to be considered legal. All that are deemed insane by said judge will be shot.

When did I say anything about killing people?

As for judging, we all make judgment calls.  I'm sure I could find a stance you support that might lean in the authoritarian direction.  If not, then you are a very rare individual indeed.

It was hyperbole. The fact you found something wrong with the second half of the statement and nothing with the first is interesting.

Our government is based on a collective ideal, not an individual reality. When we start sacrificing individual freedoms for reality without anyone realizing what is happening, that is when we aren't living in the America I know anymore.

I make provisions for things like the Patriot Act because even though I realize they are a significant breach of personal freedoms and such, there are many many people that realize this and speak out against it. I also have no doubt that one day they will be declared unconstitutional.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

New law: All cults must apply for a permit to Turquoise to be considered legal. All that are deemed insane by said judge will be shot.

When did I say anything about killing people?

As for judging, we all make judgment calls.  I'm sure I could find a stance you support that might lean in the authoritarian direction.  If not, then you are a very rare individual indeed.

It was hyperbole. The fact you found something wrong with the second half of the statement and nothing with the first is interesting.

Our government is based on a collective ideal, not an individual reality. When we start sacrificing individual freedoms for reality without anyone realizing what is happening, that is when we aren't living in the America I know anymore.

I make provisions for things like the Patriot Act because even though I realize they are a significant breach of personal freedoms and such, there are many many people that realize this and speak out against it. I also have no doubt that one day they will be declared unconstitutional.

I support the Patriot Act, but that's another discussion.

America has never been the "ideal" people say it is, and it never will be.  We are one of the freer nations of the world, but we have to limit these freedoms for practical purposes -- one of which I see as ending cults.

Turquoise wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

As others have said, that would directly contradict freedom of religion if they are committing no crime.

That's a very convenient line we draw, when there is little difference between these cults and insanity.  I've seen this said elsewhere, but if the voices in your head are from God, you're religious.  If they're from Bob, you're crazy.

I see little difference between the behavior of these cults and the behavior of the insane, which is why I suggest that we amend the criminal code to cover this.  It's only through political correctness that we consider these to be "religions."  They are more aptly called "delusions."

This is why the freedom of religion is so easy to exploit for the gain of very sick people.

But as an atheist of sorts, you consider all religions to be a delusion, so what's to stop you from locking up all the religious?

Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

As others have said, that would directly contradict freedom of religion if they are committing no crime.

That's a very convenient line we draw, when there is little difference between these cults and insanity.  I've seen this said elsewhere, but if the voices in your head are from God, you're religious.  If they're from Bob, you're crazy.

I see little difference between the behavior of these cults and the behavior of the insane, which is why I suggest that we amend the criminal code to cover this.  It's only through political correctness that we consider these to be "religions."  They are more aptly called "delusions."

This is why the freedom of religion is so easy to exploit for the gain of very sick people.

But as an atheist of sorts, you consider all religions to be a delusion, so what's to stop you from locking up all the religious?

Because people like yourself are sane, don't abuse kids, and are part of outside society.  You pose no threat to anyone.