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2008-04-30 22:28:34
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


If you believe in the last sentence here, then it's quite a dilemma isn't it?  You see, we have to decide between the freedom of the kids and the freedom of their parents.  I side with the kids.
Right until the state disapproves of your skills and ethics.
Are you kidding?  They already disapprove of my ethics.  This is why my stance on this isn't being carried out.

In short, you don't have much to worry about, but it is fun to debate this, isn't it?
Sure.
I don't take it personally either, even though you are suggesting my father be put in a reeducation camp.

Fuck you?

Whatever. All in good fun.
Thanks for the AWM FM.
Sorry about the comment Turq.
2008-04-30 22:28:54
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If you believe in the last sentence here, then it's quite a dilemma isn't it?  You see, we have to decide between the freedom of the kids and the freedom of their parents.  I side with the kids.
Do you think it's ok for parents to 'ground' their kids?
Sure...
2008-04-30 22:30:36
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Round up both.  We can only deport the illegals though.  The cultists can only be committed.
I'd say paddling your family to Florida from Cuba on an intertube might make you crazy also...lol.
Yes, but they're the kind of crazy that's profitable, hence we permit it.
naa. Cubans are more of the entrepreneur type. We allow it because we <3 Cuban Cuisine .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-04-30 22:32:05
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:


Right until the state disapproves of your skills and ethics.
Are you kidding?  They already disapprove of my ethics.  This is why my stance on this isn't being carried out.

In short, you don't have much to worry about, but it is fun to debate this, isn't it?
Sure.
I don't take it personally either, even though you are suggesting my father be put in a reeducation camp.

Fuck you?

Whatever. All in good fun.
Thanks for the AWM FM.
Sorry about the comment Turq.
It's all good...  I just figured you'd support me on this given some of what you've said about your father.  It doesn't sound like you liked him very much, or am I confusing him with some other relative?
2008-04-30 22:50:15
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

Turquoise wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If you believe in the last sentence here, then it's quite a dilemma isn't it?  You see, we have to decide between the freedom of the kids and the freedom of their parents.  I side with the kids.
Do you think it's ok for parents to 'ground' their kids?
Sure...
Then we can establish that parents have the freedom to choose an environment in which to raise their kids.  As long as it is lawful, right?

Making their lifestyle unlawful because you don't approve of it is terrible.  They have the freedom to raise their kids however they see fit as long as that is in accordance with the laws of the land.  If the law of the land changes to persecute particular groups, we as a society take giant steps backwards.
2008-04-30 23:38:56
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6748|New Haven, CT

SenorToenails wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:


Do you think it's ok for parents to 'ground' their kids?
Sure...
Then we can establish that parents have the freedom to choose an environment in which to raise their kids.  As long as it is lawful, right?

Making their lifestyle unlawful because you don't approve of it is terrible.  They have the freedom to raise their kids however they see fit as long as that is in accordance with the laws of the land.  If the law of the land changes to persecute particular groups, we as a society take giant steps backwards.
The current groups, of course, are not the victim of this.

I don't see much regression.
2008-04-30 23:45:07
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

nukchebi0 wrote:

The current groups, of course, are not the victim of this.

I don't see much regression.
In Turq's idea, he would deny them freedom whether they are lawful or not because they are 'cults'.  This has to do with the potential for crimes to take place, not with whether or not crimes are actually taking place.

I don't know how you can't see much regression.  You need to look past current groups and take a gander at what his idea means on the grand scale of things.  Even further, the precedent that this action would set is very troubling.
2008-04-30 23:58:11
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6748|New Haven, CT

SenorToenails wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

The current groups, of course, are not the victim of this.

I don't see much regression.
In Turq's idea, he would deny them freedom whether they are lawful or not because they are 'cults'.  This has to do with the potential for crimes to take place, not with whether or not crimes are actually taking place.

I don't know how you can't see much regression.  You need to look past current groups and take a gander at what his idea means on the grand scale of things.  Even further, the precedent that this action would set is very troubling.
Oh, I meant with what has happened currently in regards to the FLDS.

Turq's idea is a regression, yes. Unfortunately, you can't take preemptive action on criminals in that manner, because it undermines the ideals of a free society.

 

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