The "Blame Video games for violence" Card

2008-05-02 05:08:36

#1

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

I'm tired of reading about videogames being the main reason, or at least one of them, for violence among kids.

Politicians, like Hillary, think? they can place the blame on video games for the failures of the parents.

I remember some BS organization that advised people not to buy COD4 coz it was very violent for kids. Fuck you amazing assholes. Read the rating on the front. It's a fucking huge M. Mature is not for kids. Do you understand that?

https://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7900/cod4ij1.jpg

The day GTA IV was released there were reports of a low school attendance in many places. Don't blame Rockstar, blame the parents. The game has a huge M on the front assholes. If you let your 10 years old kid buy a M rated game then you are the one to blame, not video games.

https://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6100/gtabox1171258792wl4.jpg

Get your facts right. Video games have ratings. Respect the ratings and STFU.

/ends rant

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-05-02 05:25:32)

2008-05-02 05:17:45

#2

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7043|London, England

Exactly. It's more of a problem in America than here. Over here, it's actually illegal to sell below the rating (it's classified 18 here), whereas in America, it's not actually illegal to sell the game to minors.

This is the world we live in. It's a blame someone else culture. People can't take responsibility for their own actions, so they sue the seller, because they're fat, or the game because they killed someone or I don't know, fuck knows.

I remember some BS organization that advised people not to buy COD4 coz it was very violent for kids. Fuck you amazing assholes. Read the rating on the front. It's a fucking huge M. Mature is not for kids. Do you understand that?

Agreed, people are just fucking retarded or something.

2008-05-02 05:58:46

#3

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7232|Nårvei

Video games are a source of violence with minors and possibly some adults also just like movies, television, friends, family and whatever reasons there may be ...

First and foremost it's the parents job to know if their kids are mature enough to play games meant for older kids ... i have a 14 year old that i have no problems with playing Assasins Creed that are rated 18 years in Norway but i would not let him play GTA4 ... i also cap the amount of hours i let my kids play each week and of course they must do their homework and shores first ...

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-05-02 06:43:31

#4

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|7103|Disaster Free Zone

I agree its the parents fault and not the games. But I disagree that letting there children play the games is what constitutes bad parenting. I don't think that any game will cause children of any age to act violently if they have proper morals and manners learnt from there parents.

2008-05-02 06:49:52

#5

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|7077

Parents will do anything to shift responsibility and blame from themselves. Whether it's rock 'n' roll music, comic books, tv, movies, or video games. That's the way it's always been, and it'll continue to stay that way. Thankfully there are some smart judges out there who aren't taking many of these nutcases seriously and Rockstar is still in business.

2008-05-02 06:51:35

#6

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6528|eXtreme to the maX

I don't think that any game will cause children of any age to act violently if they have proper morals and manners learnt from there parents.

Given that a good proportion of kids don't learn any kind of morals should society feed them violent video games?
We're never going to have 100% perfect parenting.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-05-02 06:52:12)

Fuck Israel

2008-05-02 06:57:26

#7

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6816|The Gem Saloon

the FIRST time i ever shot a handgun, i used the knowledge i had gained from first person shooters i had played in the past.

lol all you want, but its truth.

now......that doesnt mean that i could hit the broad side of a barn at that point, but i could load and make the weapon function from what i learned in video games.

parents need to be vigilant about what their children do.

2008-05-02 07:09:36

#8

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|7103|Disaster Free Zone

Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't think that any game will cause children of any age to act violently if they have proper morals and manners learnt from there parents.
Given that a good proportion of kids don't learn any kind of morals should society feed them violent video games?
We're never going to have 100% perfect parenting.

They may perpetuate the problem, but they are definitely not the cause. Fix the cause and then there is nothing to perpetuate.

2008-05-02 08:02:20

#9

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6645|Escea

COD4 is considered very violent? lawd

2008-05-02 08:48:04

#10

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7043|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't think that any game will cause children of any age to act violently if they have proper morals and manners learnt from there parents.
Given that a good proportion of kids don't learn any kind of morals should society feed them violent video games?
We're never going to have 100% perfect parenting.

Society doesn't fucking feed them games. They're rated for older people. You'd have an Argument if GTA4 etc.. was rated E for Everyone, but it's not. End of story.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-05-02 08:48:32)

2008-05-02 08:50:02

#11

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|7049|UK

Here, here! Ol' chap!

2008-05-02 09:06:08

#12

JahManRed: wank; +646|7050|IRELAND

Just like smoking and drinking liquor, I won't be letting my kid play video game until he is at least 12.

2008-05-02 13:10:37

#13

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7194|PNW

Arguments against video games like this could be translated into 'Don't Buy Horror Film Z' or 'Don't Buy Girls, Girls, Girls' because they're bad for kids.

Thank you, Captains of Obvious.

2008-05-02 14:03:57

#14

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6964|Texas - Bigger than France

I agree with the OP...

Maybe the game companies are to blame because they are marketing games to the kids? Just like the tobacco companies used to do?

I don't think so...but...

2008-05-03 04:50:21

#15

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7097|Canberra, AUS

Parker wrote:
the FIRST time i ever shot a handgun, i used the knowledge i had gained from first person shooters i had played in the past.

lol all you want, but its truth.

now......that doesnt mean that i could hit the broad side of a barn at that point, but i could load and make the weapon function from what i learned in video games.

parents need to be vigilant about what their children do.

Yeah, but does that mean that you go and blast the brains out of everyone in sight?

Vigilance is the key. Stupidity and scapegoating is... well, stupid.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-05-03 05:11:28

#16

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7265|Reykjavík, Iceland.

It's all about parenting IMO, my parents were very strict on teaching me morals, and good behavior.

I've been playing violent video games since I was 7 (Quake ftw) and I've never commited a single act of violence (never been in a school fight even). I played SoF2 which is 18+ at the age of 12.

Instead of using games to learn how to be violent, I use them to get satisfy any need for violence.

Last edited by PBAsydney (2008-05-03 05:12:19)

2008-05-03 09:39:48

#17

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7144|Eastern PA

sergeriver wrote:
I'm tired of reading about videogames being the main reason, or at least one of them, for violence among kids.

There's only one response to those types of people:

https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/694/americasarmy1wo4.jpg

Fully funded, owned, and endorsed by the US Government.

Last edited by Masques (2008-05-03 09:41:17)

2008-05-03 09:40:48

#18

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7265|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Masques wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
I'm tired of reading about videogames being the main reason, or at least one of them, for violence among kids.
There's only one response to those types of people:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/694/ … my1wo4.jpg

That game sucks.

2008-05-03 09:44:05

#19

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7144|Eastern PA

PBAsydney wrote:
Masques wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
I'm tired of reading about videogames being the main reason, or at least one of them, for violence among kids.
There's only one response to those types of people:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/694/ … my1wo4.jpg
That game sucks.

True, but the same people that get on their high horses because of GTA, Quake, Doom, COD, etc. utter nary a peep about AA. AA is far more realistic and just as "violent", but it has full government support and is a PR tool for recruitment.

The whole anti-games sentiment is absurd.

2008-05-03 10:00:55

#20

syndicat111: Member; +39|7100|UK

To be honest, I think you would have to look very hard to find someone filled with more shit than this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thomp … ttorney%29

wikipedia wrote:
In September 2006, Thompson filed a suit in Albuquerque, New Mexico against Sony, Take-Two, Rockstar Games, and Cody Posey, for the wrongful death of three members of Posey's family. The 69-page complaint filed by Thompson and Albuquerque attorney Steven Sanders argued that "obsessively" playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City made violence "pleasurable and attractive," disconnected violence from consequences, and caused Posey to "act out, copycat, replicate and emulate the violence" when he shot and killed his father, stepmother, and stepsister, and then buried them under a manure pile at a ranch owned by former ABC News reporter Sam Donaldson in July, 2004. Thompson and Sanders filed the lawsuit on behalf of the surviving family members of Posey's father

I agree, this video game made this guy murder people

/sarcasm

2008-05-03 10:03:29

#21

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7265|Reykjavík, Iceland.

The only reason games ever make me violent is when someone in the house starts downloading and my ping goes up to 300, then my mind is filled with "MURDER, MURDER, MURDER!!!!11"

"Video games don't cause violence, lag does"

2008-05-03 10:04:59

#22

Brasso: member; +1,549|7052

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Exactly. It's more of a problem in America than here. Over here, it's actually illegal to sell below the rating (it's classified 18 here), whereas in America, it's not actually illegal to sell the game to minors.

wat?

i tried buying tf2 when it was released and forgot that it was an M game. i wasn't allowed by gamestop staff to buy it.

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"

2008-05-03 10:09:04

#23

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|7107|United States of America

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Exactly. It's more of a problem in America than here. Over here, it's actually illegal to sell below the rating (it's classified 18 here), whereas in America, it's not actually illegal to sell the game to minors.

I'm not sure if it's illegal or not, but they still won't sell it to you (just like booze) unless you present ID or look the age. I don't even think parents should be able to plead ignorance to these issues anyway. I recall lawsuits about violence going back to games like the original Doom. They ought to be fined for wasting the time of the court system. Honestly, "grand theft auto" is the name of a crime FFS; the game isn't a sunshine and butterflies simulator.

2008-05-03 10:24:41

#24

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7043|London, England

It's what I heard last time from someone here. It's not really enforced and it's just a guideline or something.

2008-05-03 13:28:46

#25

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
It's what I heard last time from someone here. It's not really enforced and it's just a guideline or something.

The guy at Electronics Boutique is not responsible for the education of kids. Parents are.

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