Well, I'm in percussion at my school and my teacher put me on Bass 5 for marching season next year. I'm stoked for it, but I suck at counting... Any advice?
Last edited by ThaReaper (2008-05-04 12:09:25)
I play the anal French horn, it really pisses my family off.
You can't count to 4?
How hard is it to count 4/4 or 6/8 time?
I can count 4/4 5/4 3/4 or anything it's just like the more complicated things. I'll scan my warm-ups for next year after my dad gets off the computer.
The more complicated ones can usually be broken down into simpler ones. Which complicated ones do you have trouble with?
I'm a percussionist.
I abuse the Amen Break electronically.
Does that count?
I abuse the Amen Break electronically.
Does that count?
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I play the anal French horn, it really pisses my family off.
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I play the anal French horn
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I've been playing drums for 5 years.
The_Lance_117 wrote:
I play the anal French horn, it really pisses my family off.
The_Lance_117 wrote:
I play the anal French horn
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the anal French horn
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anal French horn
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EDIT: GOD DAMN YOU PBA
I should really try reading threads.
Last edited by Funky_Finny (2008-05-04 08:30:38)
You noticed he's asking for advice?Ryan wrote:
I've been playing drums for 5 years.
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EDIT: GOD DAMN YOU PBA
I should really try reading threads.
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I play the anal French horn, it really pisses my family off.The_Lance_117 wrote:
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EDIT: GOD DAMN YOU PBA
I should really try reading threads.
There's my warm-ups for next year. I play on the line labeled B. Dr. I also play on the lowest space. I also play all the notes on the B flat line.
Last edited by ThaReaper (2008-05-04 12:11:04)
Easiest way would be to count 1+2+3+4+5+ over and over in your head (+ being "and")
Or...
1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a ...etc for semiquavers (16ths) ;)
The compound time semiquavers you have a choice, depending on how you've learned to count in compound time.
I play and teach bass, if your counting is the issue I'll send you a chart that might help if you want.
Try and write down rhythms that you hear in recordings, that can help build your rhythm skills, or atleast count along...I assume you can keep a basic beat ;)
Also, just to be a twat, I've gotta ask...what do you mean by the 'B flat line'?
As that is percussion notation, none of the notes are pitched (I assume you mean the middle line).
Notes on that line (in treble clef) would just be called B, unless preceeded by a flat, sharp, double sharp or double flat ;)
Sorry for being a smartass, had to do it.
1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a ...etc for semiquavers (16ths) ;)
The compound time semiquavers you have a choice, depending on how you've learned to count in compound time.
I play and teach bass, if your counting is the issue I'll send you a chart that might help if you want.
Try and write down rhythms that you hear in recordings, that can help build your rhythm skills, or atleast count along...I assume you can keep a basic beat ;)
Also, just to be a twat, I've gotta ask...what do you mean by the 'B flat line'?
As that is percussion notation, none of the notes are pitched (I assume you mean the middle line).
Notes on that line (in treble clef) would just be called B, unless preceeded by a flat, sharp, double sharp or double flat ;)
Sorry for being a smartass, had to do it.
Last edited by MrAnderson (2008-05-04 16:01:13)
Lol thanks, yea I meant middle line. I start playing tomorrow after school. I canc count basic beats. It's just hard to count things like on the second page. Like the first measure.MrAnderson wrote:
Or...
1 a + a 2 a + a 3 a + a 4 a + a ...etc for semiquavers (16ths)
The compound time semiquavers you have a choice, depending on how you've learned to count in compound time.
I play and teach bass, if your counting is the issue I'll send you a chart that might help if you want.
Try and write down rhythms that you hear in recordings, that can help build your rhythm skills, or atleast count along...I assume you can keep a basic beat
Also, just to be a twat, I've gotta ask...what do you mean by the 'B flat line'?
As that is percussion notation, none of the notes are pitched (I assume you mean the middle line).
Notes on that line (in treble clef) would just be called B, unless preceeded by a flat, sharp, double sharp or double flat
Sorry for being a smartass, had to do it.
Ok. I hope I can explain this over a forum...
First thing you need to do is 'hear' what you are going to play...start counting (1 e + a etc...out loud is good).
Now follow the notes as you count, so you are reading the music but not playing yet.
I don't know how good your reading is, so I will send you a couple of sheets to help, but next stage is...
Follow the music again, while still counting, and emphasize the count each time a note needs to be played, ie say it louder.
Bar 9...the stars are the 'notes'. Break it down into individual beats if necessary.
1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a
* * * * * * * *
Count the rests quieter if possible.
Now you can 'hear' it, and hopefully repeat it out loud without looking at the music.
Try adding the physical part; tap your leg as if you were hitting the drum. When you are sure you got it, try tapping it a few times in a row.
Finally try playing the bar on the drum.
Repeat this process for each tricky bar. It will become much faster as you do it more and more.
Also the sheets I send you should help you read alot quicker.
Hope this helps
First thing you need to do is 'hear' what you are going to play...start counting (1 e + a etc...out loud is good).
Now follow the notes as you count, so you are reading the music but not playing yet.
I don't know how good your reading is, so I will send you a couple of sheets to help, but next stage is...
Follow the music again, while still counting, and emphasize the count each time a note needs to be played, ie say it louder.
Bar 9...the stars are the 'notes'. Break it down into individual beats if necessary.
1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a
* * * * * * * *
Count the rests quieter if possible.
Now you can 'hear' it, and hopefully repeat it out loud without looking at the music.
Try adding the physical part; tap your leg as if you were hitting the drum. When you are sure you got it, try tapping it a few times in a row.
Finally try playing the bar on the drum.
Repeat this process for each tricky bar. It will become much faster as you do it more and more.
Also the sheets I send you should help you read alot quicker.
Hope this helps
Last edited by MrAnderson (2008-05-04 15:59:48)
I think "1 e + a 2 e + a, etc" is a bit easier to say out loud (2 a's get confusing). A metronome might be a good investment to keep the quarter note.
Btw...Anderson, do you play drums as well? or a different instrument?
Btw...Anderson, do you play drums as well? or a different instrument?
You're right, e + a is less confusing...and rolls off the tongue easier too.
I had a + a in my head, as my old tutor was a real perfectionist, and reckoned the 'e' created an unwanted accent...tbh I would go with e + a though
Same concept, and I edited my post
Metronome is a useful tool, BUT don't rely on it too much, it's important to learn to think for yourself and not just use a machine
A strong internal sense of pulse is essential here.
If you have a metronome, use it to help start your count, but switch it off after a few minutes.
Make sure to start at a BPM that allows you to think and perform without making mistakes, no point practising too fast!
Try upping the BPM by 5 - 10 max each time you want to push yourself.
I play and teach bass, rhythm is important for me and my students also
Damn, I need to stop using after every line...
I had a + a in my head, as my old tutor was a real perfectionist, and reckoned the 'e' created an unwanted accent...tbh I would go with e + a though
Same concept, and I edited my post
Metronome is a useful tool, BUT don't rely on it too much, it's important to learn to think for yourself and not just use a machine
A strong internal sense of pulse is essential here.
If you have a metronome, use it to help start your count, but switch it off after a few minutes.
Make sure to start at a BPM that allows you to think and perform without making mistakes, no point practising too fast!
Try upping the BPM by 5 - 10 max each time you want to push yourself.
I play and teach bass, rhythm is important for me and my students also
Damn, I need to stop using after every line...
Last edited by MrAnderson (2008-05-04 16:01:52)
Thanks. I also don't really understand the staff... Like how there can be one line... or 2 lines... or even 3.
I have to agree with MrAnderson on this, having carried 2nd bass and 5th bass in marching band ( though it was about 15 years ago ). You need to get the rhythm in your head before you ever bang it out on the drum. For what its worth, our bass line was able to roll sextuplets up and down through the line, but even that took many afternoons of practice, long before it was ever performance ready.
Well this whole next week we are having this thing called Rookie Camp. It's where we get used to our drums and pretty much learn some stuff to get us ready for marching season.Canin wrote:
I have to agree with MrAnderson on this, having carried 2nd bass and 5th bass in marching band ( though it was about 15 years ago ). You need to get the rhythm in your head before you ever bang it out on the drum. For what its worth, our bass line was able to roll sextuplets up and down through the line, but even that took many afternoons of practice, long before it was ever performance ready.
I'm sure they'll cover alot of this stuff in the rookie camp.
You were asking about the staff, each line/stave is for a different part, the staff can have as many lines/staves as are needed.
A piano or keyboard part will have 2 staves, one for the left hand and one for the right hand (called a 'grand staff'), but other instruments will only have 1.
A large ensemble piece features many staves, grouped into sections, as in the example below; this is a full score, and alows the conductor to follow the music and read any part he needs to.
Woodwind (flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon)
Brass (horn in D, trumpet in D)
Percussion (timpani)
Strings (violin 1, violin 2, viola, violincello, contrabass/double bass)
You were asking about the staff, each line/stave is for a different part, the staff can have as many lines/staves as are needed.
A piano or keyboard part will have 2 staves, one for the left hand and one for the right hand (called a 'grand staff'), but other instruments will only have 1.
A large ensemble piece features many staves, grouped into sections, as in the example below; this is a full score, and alows the conductor to follow the music and read any part he needs to.
Woodwind (flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon)
Brass (horn in D, trumpet in D)
Percussion (timpani)
Strings (violin 1, violin 2, viola, violincello, contrabass/double bass)
Last edited by MrAnderson (2008-05-05 06:22:54)