SO i went live-firing the other day and realized ho wunrealisitc it is to have a M16 go through 4 clips and NEVER jam. This is my umpteenth time firing and it has jammed (slap, charge, fire) at least 4 out of 50 rounds. They should make each weapon randomly jam.
wrong game buddy
play operation flashpoint or Armed Assault when it comes out if you want realism
battlefield 2 is fun not for real
play operation flashpoint or Armed Assault when it comes out if you want realism
battlefield 2 is fun not for real
I am just saying it would be nice. to occasionally have the enemy jam
Making the guns jam occasionally would just suck. Instead, if you want realism play America's Army or another more realistic game. BF2 isnt about realism.
... and die from exhaustion after jumping for half an hour whilst carrying a MG and full ammo...Trobow wrote:
I am just saying it would be nice. to occasionally have the enemy jam
Sorry, off topic...
My thoughts as well.Dr_3V|L wrote:
Making the guns jam occasionally would just suck. Instead, if you want realism play America's Army or another more realistic game. BF2 isn't about realism.
And I have fired 1,000s of rounds down the barrel of a M-16A2 and yes they do jam, but it is a lot less than one round in 4 magazines. I have seen Marines with all kinds of jamming problems, and it usually goes back to how the Marine loaded those magazines with the clips, racked the bolt and then didn't ram the bolt home.
IMO not a fun BF2 gaming experience.
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Not only that, but it's extremely underpowered. The M16A2 is a piece of SHIT.
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hmm counts how u use it.., we leraned also to shot with it on a NATO maneuvre. and it was quite handysome.. still WE learn to use just single shots and no burst. our standard assault rifle is the Steyr AUG.. or STG 77, it has no fire selector it depends how u pullthe trigger that it fires full auto or semi. and i prefeer the m16a2 or a3 version quite more.. because u can use ur iron sights.. on our AUG we got a fixed 4xscope.. which is crap compared to teh ACOG.
and for the underpowering.. the old ammo of your m16 was powerful. they just changed it.. to get more bullets into the mag.
still my fav is an m21. or an m733... also like the g36 much (i mean in real life),..
try uzsing the Steyr AUG one time in close quartrs and u will wish u had a weapon with iron sights.. bad things about the m16.. the cleaning.. i can have a tour of duty without cleaning the stg 77 all day. but teh m16 jams so friggin often because its very attackable by dirt and dust
and for the underpowering.. the old ammo of your m16 was powerful. they just changed it.. to get more bullets into the mag.
still my fav is an m21. or an m733... also like the g36 much (i mean in real life),..
try uzsing the Steyr AUG one time in close quartrs and u will wish u had a weapon with iron sights.. bad things about the m16.. the cleaning.. i can have a tour of duty without cleaning the stg 77 all day. but teh m16 jams so friggin often because its very attackable by dirt and dust
I think it jams too often in real world (due to dust primarily) but to say it doesn't possess the stopping power? YOUR CRAZY. You run head on yelling haji shit at me and then tellme it doesn't have any stopping power.
That is why it is ALWAYS 2 in the chest and 1 in the head.
That is why it is ALWAYS 2 in the chest and 1 in the head.
Nope, the Marines in 'Nam were issued 20 round magazines because it was more cost effective. The 30 round magazines were issued to SpecOps units.[FIS]-Thor wrote:
and for the underpowering.. the old ammo of your m16 was powerful. they just changed it.. to get more bullets into the mag.
And the old M16 ammo is the same ammo used by the M16 now.
5.56 NATO (XM16E1):
Bullet Weight = 55 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = approximately 3185 fps
Muzzle Energy = 1239 ft. lbs.
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 252 ft. lbs.
Compared to, say, the M14
7.62 NATO (M14 & M60 Machine-gun):
Bullet Weight = 150 grains
Nominal Muzzle Velocity = approximately 2700 fps.
Muzzle Energy = 2427 ft. Lbs.
Muzzle Energy at 500 yds. = 1576 ft. lbs.
There have been reports of bullets sticking in their targets like darts on a dartboard.
Some of that can also be attributed to how the gun is maintained.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
My thoughts as well.Dr_3V|L wrote:
Making the guns jam occasionally would just suck. Instead, if you want realism play America's Army or another more realistic game. BF2 isn't about realism.
And I have fired 1,000s of rounds down the barrel of a M-16A2 and yes they do jam, but it is a lot less than one round in 4 magazines. I have seen Marines with all kinds of jamming problems, and it usually goes back to how the Marine loaded those magazines with the clips, racked the bolt and then didn't ram the bolt home.
IMO not a fun BF2 gaming experience.
I'm not sure how many of you know this but the m-16's bullet is meant to tumble inside the target once you hit it. It then divides and keeps tumbling creating a pocket inside the body causing internal bleeding. It definately can stop something in its tracks.
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in NAM the bullets were not the same like today.. in NAM the manstop was higher compared to today most of todasys 5,56 bullets go throu the body whilst in nam the bulltes were to stop the enemy.. in 93 they wished for the old bullets
If this game was realistic, you would not lose a bar of your health for falling 4 feet.
Jam = gay. Download Ameericas Army - the M4's and M16's in that game jam, as well as the sniper rifles. It's annoying as shit, and if EA put that in the game people would complain left and right.
the m16a2 is standard weapon for all american soldiers i guess that why we got so manny dead therre guns jam in the middle of combat and are gunned down by ak 47s
ok homes are you like 8 years old ?..i guess that why we got so manny dead therre guns jam in the middle of combat and are gunned down by ak 47s
although i havent shot thousands of rounds i have to agree with this .. probably 90% of jamming probelms aer operator errorI have seen Marines with all kinds of jamming problems, and it usually goes back to how the Marine loaded those magazines with the clips, racked the bolt and then didn't ram the bolt home.
Or if you get dust in the firing mechanism, and Vietnam was alot of jungle/swamp, and Iraq is a big sand dune.chitlin wrote:
although i havent shot thousands of rounds i have to agree with this .. probably 90% of jamming probelms aer operator error
If the m16 jams withinn 4 clips in real life I feel sorry for the US troops in Irak and such, just counting their shots waiting for it too jam.Trobow wrote:
SO i went live-firing the other day and realized ho wunrealisitc it is to have a M16 go through 4 clips and NEVER jam. This is my umpteenth time firing and it has jammed (slap, charge, fire) at least 4 out of 50 rounds. They should make each weapon randomly jam.
So if thats the standard 4 out of 50 in ways you'd say the Belgium P90 would jam 4 times every mag?! I've learned so far this game has nothing to do with realism!!!!!
The minime fires numerous rounds at point blank range and you'll still miss the guy standing there.
The .50 goes through armored glass, but fails to vulperize a man with one shot?
A wrench fixes everything from shot-2-bits tank to heli?
A medic can heal a guy in 2 seconds, and revive him nomatter how many times the poor bastard got shot?
AA that doesnt "Lock-on" untill the flying object is within reach of a spudgun?
Not too forget the mighty 120mm Smoothbore main gun from the tank doesnt kill another tank or APC in one shot?
Forget realism, in this game its all about balance, balance and more balance.
...all depends who you shooting at, 5,56 or 7,62 AP rounds are both useless when shooting an armorless guy/woman/kid. You just put a little hole in 'em. Make it a hollowpoint, you will loose some accuracy but you'll make sure the poor guy wont standup again.[FIS]-Thor wrote:
in NAM the bullets were not the same like today.. in NAM the manstop was higher compared to today most of todasys 5,56 bullets go throu the body whilst in nam the bulltes were to stop the enemy.. in 93 they wished for the old bullets
Still, any bullet hitting you in the vest will knock you right over
Helis aint nothing - you can sit on the insides of a tank and fix a bridge by looking at it for a few seconds...Charmin wrote:
A wrench fixes everything from shot-2-bits tank to heli?
Now that's cool
The M16 does have a scope, it's just not standard. Just curious, but does the STG or AUG have an undermounted grenade launcher?[FIS]-Thor wrote:
hmm counts how u use it.., we leraned also to shot with it on a NATO maneuvre. and it was quite handysome.. still WE learn to use just single shots and no burst. our standard assault rifle is the Steyr AUG.. or STG 77, it has no fire selector it depends how u pullthe trigger that it fires full auto or semi. and i prefeer the m16a2 or a3 version quite more.. because u can use ur iron sights.. on our AUG we got a fixed 4xscope.. which is crap compared to teh ACOG.
and for the underpowering.. the old ammo of your m16 was powerful. they just changed it.. to get more bullets into the mag.
still my fav is an m21. or an m733... also like the g36 much (i mean in real life),..
try uzsing the Steyr AUG one time in close quartrs and u will wish u had a weapon with iron sights.. bad things about the m16.. the cleaning.. i can have a tour of duty without cleaning the stg 77 all day. but teh m16 jams so friggin often because its very attackable by dirt and dust
Are you kidding, AKs jam even more than M16s. I suppose it's easier to fix though, i've heard that all you have to do is "clear it" or "clear the bolt" or something. I heard it on shootout in the episode where these two Iraqi dudes try to rob a bank in California with AP bullets in the 100-round drum clips of their AKs. One of the AKs jams because an empty shell gets stuck between the door that ejects empty shells and the rest of the gun so he just dropped the gun and pulled out his standard issue Berretta 9mm.sparklet wrote:
the m16a2 is standard weapon for all american soldiers i guess that why we got so manny dead therre guns jam in the middle of combat and are gunned down by ak 47s
yes AUG can be fitted with a tube, really handy since you;ll have 2 fingers to shoot both triggers instead of just one like on a m16 + the bulbup design and the tube makes it a weighting miracle, nice balance i mean.
The M16 from Vietnam was a completely different model, the M16A1. It was meant to go full auto only. When they realized how inaccurate it was, they made revisions to it, and created the M16A2.[FIS]-Thor wrote:
in NAM the bullets were not the same like today.. in NAM the manstop was higher compared to today most of todasys 5,56 bullets go throu the body whilst in nam the bulltes were to stop the enemy.. in 93 they wished for the old bullets