Why assume it's greed? Some people go to Walmart to buy clothes and food because that's all they can do to provide for their children.
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I don't believe that.
The percentage of people shopping there because they can't shop anywhere else has got to be tiny.
The percentage of people shopping there because they can't shop anywhere else has got to be tiny.
Well, I use to date a single mother who would call you on that. She busted her ass (the kids Dad disappeared after he was born) providing for her son. She had no family to fall back on what's so ever.. she had very little choice in the matter. It's easy to call bs and greed behind a keyboard while others are out there struggling. What she did for her son was most admirable.. it disturbs me when I hear people assume your position.ATG wrote:
I don't believe that.
The percentage of people shopping there because they can't shop anywhere else has got to be tiny.
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I know poor. My mom raised five kids on cheap shit and food stamps when my dad ran off to become a polygamist.Kmarion wrote:
Well, I use to date a single mother who would call you on that. She busted her ass (the kids Dad disappeared after he was born) providing for her son. She had no family to fall back on what's so ever.. she had very little choice in the matter. It's easy to call bs and greed behind a keyboard while others are out there struggling. What she did for her son was most admirable.. it disturbs me when I hear people assume your position.ATG wrote:
I don't believe that.
The percentage of people shopping there because they can't shop anywhere else has got to be tiny.
I said a small percentage. Not everyone shopping at Walmart is driven by greed. Just lots.
The greedy do not spend their Saturdays at Walmart. You don't find too many people packing their bentleys with cases of ramen noodles. I'd say the percentages are in favor of the non.
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Mayhaps I need to define greed as I meant it;Kmarion wrote:
The greedy do not spend their Saturdays at Walmart. You don't find too many people packing their bentleys with cases of ramen noodles. I'd say the percentages are in favor of the non.
I consider driving by the locally owned hardware store to buy a garden hose at walmart for twenty five cents less to be a form of greed.
Walmarts and Home Depots murder small businesses.
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Oh god.. not this again..
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=304084752225299825&hl=en[/google]
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6648733511396220469&hl=en[/google]
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=304084752225299825&hl=en[/google]
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6648733511396220469&hl=en[/google]
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And speaking of made of suck; have you ever had the government issued cheese they use in the Food distribution centers for the poor?
Powdered milk? Peanut butter and honey sandwiches every day for a month?
I have.
Powdered milk? Peanut butter and honey sandwiches every day for a month?
I have.
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/wa … mart_4.cfmKmarion wrote:
Oh god.. not this again..
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=304084752225299825&hl=en[/google]
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6648733511396220469&hl=en[/google]
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lol.. thx for watchin.. nice open mind you got there.
It's why I come here less and less.
It's why I come here less and less.
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tbh, I got two minutes into listening how her $8.50 job at Walmart was making her life better and had to get up to vomit.Kmarion wrote:
lol.. thx for watchin.. nice open mind you got there.
It's why I come here less and less.
She'll likely be competing with her children for the sporting goods manager slot.
I never claimed to have an open mind. And you shouldn't get pissy because I didn't watch 14 minutes of video.
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But you have absolutely no problem quoting it and responding? .. pissy no.. Disappointed I wasted my time replying to someone unwilling to listen.. yea. Oh well.. Next time I'll find some jackass with a handicam preaching to overthrow the government. I know that will hold your attention.
It's a start.. Rather than be a drain on a society she went for opportunity. If finding the courage to struggle makes you sick than I'd say that's your own problem.ATG wrote:
tbh, I got two minutes into listening how her $8.50 job at Walmart was making her life better and had to get up to vomit.
She'll likely be competing with her children for the sporting goods manager slot.
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Not likely.Kmarion wrote:
But you have absolutely no problem quoting it and responding? .. pissy no.. Disappointed I wasted my time replying to someone unwilling to listen.. yea. Oh well.. Next time I'll find some jackass with a handicam preaching to overthrow the government. I know that will hold your attention.
Did you read the article I linked to in response?
Sorry man, my mind will not be changed about Walmart and Chinese goods.
Have you ever known a small business owner who's company has been devoured by these giants?
Sometimes I rave. Sometimes I lament. Some issues I am open to sway.
Not this one.
You are quick to point out the stupidity and recklessness of people with credit card debt and mortgages with adjustable rates yet get up in arms defending a 26 year old mother of three working for $8.50 per hour.angry kmarion wrote:
It's a start.. Rather than be a drain on a society she went for opportunity. If finding the courage to struggle makes you sick than I'd say that's your own problem.
Does that $8.50 pay for the daycare, or does television handle that?
This is your pet issue, fine. I certainly have mine.
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Well shit.. at least have the courtesy to tell me to save my time.
It's no surprise considering your lack of considering anything that might challenge popular opinion with them.Sometimes I rave. Sometimes I lament. Some issues I am open to sway.
Not this one.
I admire responsibility.. that is my common view in the two issues. (If you look you will see that in a lot of my post)You are quick to point out the stupidity and recklessness of people with credit card debt and mortgages with adjustable rates yet get up in arms defending a 26 year old mother of three working for $8.50 per hour.
Does that $8.50 pay for the daycare, or does television handle that?
This is your pet issue, fine. I certainly have mine.
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Perhaps it would better serve the greater good of society if she went on the dole and raised her kids.
You presume she isn't being a good parent now? Do you have her schedule? Maybe she works while they are at school? Maybe her Family is there to help?ATG wrote:
Perhaps it would better serve the greater good of society if she went on the dole and raised her kids.
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For me it was all the holding hands and singing Cumbaya.Kmarion wrote:
It's why I come here less and less.
A middle ground between Major_Spittles mental vacancy, and usmarine and Gunslingers hostility is what I like.
I thought you were all about personal responsibility?Kmarion wrote:
You presume she isn't being a good parent now? Do you have her schedule? Maybe she works while they are at school? Maybe her Family is there to help?ATG wrote:
Perhaps it would better serve the greater good of society if she went on the dole and raised her kids.
You are misdirecting your anger; she is a 26 year old mother of three working for $8.50 per hour, I'm a small business owner who employees people ( less and less of them, too ).
She is the one who is not responsible.
I'm saying to hell with Walmart, drive past them and find a small store, support the local economy, not Chinas.
And your mad at me?!?
Where the hell was I?..lolATG wrote:
For me it was all the holding hands and singing Cumbaya.Kmarion wrote:
It's why I come here less and less.
I have no problem with confrontational debate. There is a difference between sparring intellectually and just being an ass though . Being a moderate I find myself alone most the time. I understand being passionate about an issue, but I will never understand not listening.
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Okay. I'll watch your Christ foresaken videos. 
Mad? .. no. And if the small store isn't hiring? Your position is dependent on assumptions. Small towns without Walmarts go under just as fast.. if not faster. You just need your common evil to solve a complicated problem with a simple answer.ATG wrote:
I thought you were all about personal responsibility?Kmarion wrote:
You presume she isn't being a good parent now? Do you have her schedule? Maybe she works while they are at school? Maybe her Family is there to help?ATG wrote:
Perhaps it would better serve the greater good of society if she went on the dole and raised her kids.
You are misdirecting your anger; she is a 26 year old mother of three working for $8.50 per hour, I'm a small business owner who employees people ( less and less of them, too ).
She is the one who is not responsible.
I'm saying to hell with Walmart, drive past them and find a small store, support the local economy, not Chinas.
And your mad at me?!?
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...lol Admittedly the first one did start off a little lame .ATG wrote:
Okay. I'll watch your Christ foresaken videos. http://i2.tinypic.com/7w95g00.gif
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And kept getting worse.Kmarion wrote:
...lol Admittedly the first one did start off a little lame .ATG wrote:
Okay. I'll watch your Christ foresaken videos. http://i2.tinypic.com/7w95g00.gif
He is a professional spokeshole.
He gets paid big bucks to go on t.v. and talk shit.
It's easy for guys like that to sing Walmarts praise, they've likely never tried to run a business.
As for # 2, great, we're making the third world better by ruining American companies. He actually defends sweat shops and child labor.
I'm no fan of unions, but seriously, would you consider a job a Walmart if you weren't doing good with your families business?
Great career track? Would you recommend your daughter get a job at Walmart?
And are those two guys a couple? The big guys the man and the quiet guy is the girl?
We ruin our own companies. We demand regulations and taxes unequaled by the rest of the world. Noble as it may be but as a "business person" what would you do? Patriotism in the name of destructive charity is not patriotism at all.
You assume (again) they are a talking head for Walmart because they have a differing opinion. I must be as well..lol.
Isn't that their right?
lol@more vids 4 u.
You assume (again) they are a talking head for Walmart because they have a differing opinion. I must be as well..lol.
Isn't that their right?
lol@more vids 4 u.
As a startup job maybe. Would you recommend your kids sit on their ass all day and complain?ATG wrote:
Would you recommend your daughter get a job at Walmart?
ATG wrote:
And are those two guys a couple? The big guys the man and the quiet guy is the girl?
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I find the bolded part a little hard to believe. Do you have a source for that?Kmarion wrote:
We ruin our own companies. We demand regulations and taxes unequaled by the rest of the world. Noble as it may be but as a "business person" what would you do? Patriotism in the name of destructive charity is not patriotism at all.
You assume (again) they are a talking head for Walmart because they have a differing opinion. I must be as well..lol.
Isn't that their right?
lol@more vids 4 u.
Of course they have that right.Kmarion wrote:
We ruin our own companies. We demand regulations and taxes unequaled by the rest of the world. Noble as it may be but as a "business person" what would you do? Patriotism in the name of destructive charity is not patriotism at all.
You assume (again) they are a talking head for Walmart because they have a differing opinion. I must be as well..lol.
Isn't that their right?
lol@more vids 4 u.
As do I;
When Iowa State University Professor Ken Stone examined the sales changes in Iowa small towns from 1983 to 1993, he discovered "a huge shift of sales to larger towns and cities, with substantial amounts captured by mass merchandise stores." Stone estimates that the total number of businesses lost in small towns and rural areas was 7,326 in the decade studied. Iowans spent $425 million more at discount stores, but $153 million less at variety stores, $129 million less at grocery stores, $94 million less at hardware stores, $47 million less at men's and boys apparel stores, and so on. In the 11 store types studied, businesses lost more than $603 million in sales. In this ten year period, Iowa lost:
555 Grocery stores
298 Hardware stores
293 Building Supply Stores
161 Variety Stores
158 Women's Apparel stores
153 Shoe Stores
116 Drug Stores
111 Men's and Boys Apparel store
People have said to me: "When Wal-Mart arrives, they hit the town with the force of 100 new businesses opening at once". The demise of smaller, independent businesses in Iowa suggests that the "retail hurricane" theory is true. Stone reaches a similar conclusion: