IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
..it works at MAKING suicide bombers out of otherwise innocently kidnapped foreigners who were in the wrong place at the wrong time when GI Joe came a knocking (knocking = home invasion)!  BUt hey, that's just my initial thoughts.  Who knows what this guy was really in for..it's not like any due process was done showing any records.  Maybe he was wrongly imprisoned, maybe he was a serious baddie and torture just wasn't enough to break him (does it ever?).  You discuss...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7388762.stm

A former Kuwaiti detainee at the US camp at Guantanamo Bay carried out a recent suicide bombing in northern Iraq, the US military has said.

A spokesman for US Central Command told the Associated Press that Abdullah al-Ajmi took part in an attack in Mosul on 29 April that killed several people.

Ajmi and two other Kuwaitis blew up two explosive-packed vehicles next to Iraqi security forces, media reports say.

The US transferred Ajmi to Kuwaiti custody from Guantanamo Bay in 2005.

He was later acquitted by a Kuwaiti court of terrorism charges.

According to Kuwaiti and pan-Arab media reports, Ajmi and his two alleged accomplices, Nasir al-Dawsari and Badr al-Harbi, were able to leave Kuwait a month ago without alerting the attention of the authorities because they had wrongly been issued new passports.

They then travelled to Syria, where Ajmi is reported to have told his family of his intentions, before heading onto Iraq.

The families of Ajmi and Harbi reportedly later received anonymous calls informing them that the men had died in Iraq.




There's alot of different explanations, let's hear them from BF2S!
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
I see what you're getting at, but I have a feeling he was acquitted when he should've been locked up.

Some people get wrongly imprisoned, but others are wrongly cleared of charges.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6952|Global Command
I believe that many of those held, if they are guilty, should neither be freed, or held.

If you catch my drift.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
I'm just being my usual empathetic self, imagining if I were thrown into Gitmo for a year or two, and gone through the obvious rigors of that facility. If I was taken away from my family, hell yes I'd be jihadi-jones..or something more sensible..point being, I would definitely be an enemy of the incarcerating body.

I am also taking the Kuwaiti court's benefit of the doubt (our media doesn't exactly cover that trial/findings) so I'll assume it was thorough enough.  Maybe he got let go because the evidence wasn't good enough...just like here, no priors carries a lot of weight.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

Where was it mentioned that he was tortured?
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm just being my usual empathetic self, imagining if I were thrown into Gitmo for a year or two, and gone through the obvious rigors of that facility. If I was taken away from my family, hell yes I'd be jihadi-jones..or something more sensible..point being, I would definitely be an enemy of the incarcerating body.

I am also taking the Kuwaiti court's benefit of the doubt (our media doesn't exactly cover that trial/findings) so I'll assume it was thorough enough.  Maybe he got let go because the evidence wasn't good enough...just like here, no priors carries a lot of weight.
The suicide part is why I have my doubts.  For example, if I was wrongly tortured by some government, I'd probably blow up some shit or snipe some authorities, but I wouldn't blow myself up.

The fact that this guy was willing to kill himself in the attack tells me he probably was the real deal, but they couldn't prove it at the time.
SgtSlutter
Banned
+550|7061|Amsterdam, NY

FEOS wrote:

Where was it mentioned that he was tortured?
Shh!!!! Dont let the facts get in the way of a good headline
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
We don't know if he was tortured or not.  We'll probably never know, but yes, it is usually best to assume the negative.  Occam's Razor is generally the most logical way to view things.

So, until there is proof of torture, not much can be said other than that this guy evaded conviction.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7129

Turquoise wrote:

I see what you're getting at, but I have a feeling he was acquitted when he should've been locked up.
Either is possible, but this seems more likely.
I mean, who would blow themselves up to kill some Iraqi guards who associate with the country that imprisoned you?  Wow, that is the most awkward sentence I have ever written.

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2008-05-07 17:55:52)

AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6576|what

ATG wrote:

I believe that many of those held, if they are guilty, should neither be freed, or held.

If you catch my drift.
Or even tried?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
Where was it mentioned that he was tortured?
He was in Guantanamo, so its more likely than not he was tortured. Just being held indefinitely without trial, access to due process, threat of torture is bad enough.
Maybe he was a terrorist, in which case why wasn't he charged and tried?
If he wasn't why was he abducted and held for years?
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

Oh, I see. You condemn the US for something they aren't even accused of in the article...nice selective application of "innocent until proven guilty".
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GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6797|Kyiv, Ukraine

Dilbert_X wrote:

Where was it mentioned that he was tortured?
He was in Guantanamo, so its more likely than not he was tortured. Just being held indefinitely without trial, access to due process, threat of torture is bad enough.
Maybe he was a terrorist, in which case why wasn't he charged and tried?
If he wasn't why was he abducted and held for years?
It was estimated that up to half of those locked up in Gitmo were either a case of mistaken identity (all those A-rab names sound alike you know?), or were bounty babies (guys reported by neighbors to be terrorists, gets rid of the asshole next door that didn't return the lawn mower and puts some dosh in your pocket).  The other half are honest to god serial killing psychopaths.  Problem is that torture - I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" - isn't exactly a good sorting process.  The Catholic Inquisitions tried this years ago with their trials by pain and it wasn't too effective at sorting out the faithful from the witches and heretics either.

FEOS wrote:

Oh, I see. You condemn the US for something they aren't even accused of in the article...nice selective application of "innocent until proven guilty".
I'll say this again, you really can't tell if the wingnuts are parodying themselves or if they're serious.

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2008-05-08 03:51:59)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
nice selective application of "innocent until proven guilty".
Americans just don't get irony or hypocrisy do you?
Why don't you try addressing the actual points?
The article didn't raise torture, its the title of the thread - just being abducted, drugged, buttplugged and tied up for the travel time to gitmo is torture in my book. He was taken there - he was tortured. More probably than not he was tortured while he was there.
Threat of being tortured is psychological torture.
The mighty USA, land of the free, tortures people - get used to it.

Problem is that torture - I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" - isn't exactly a good sorting process
True enough - another self defeating and richly ironic part of the 'war on terror'
'We're going to terrorise you until you stop with the terrorism' - terrific.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-05-08 03:42:47)

Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

nice selective application of "innocent until proven guilty".
Americans just don't get irony or hypocrisy do you?
Why don't you try addressing the actual points?
The article didn't raise torture, its the title of the thread
Which is why I asked the question...the title of the OP had nothing to do with the post or the article.

Dilbert_X wrote:

- just being abducted, drugged, buttplugged and tied up for the travel time to gitmo is torture in my book.
And where in the article did it say any of those things happened? Was it in the same part where it said he was tortured? Or was it the part where it said "Dilbert_X from bf2s.com gets to determine what is torture and what isn't"?

Dilbert_X wrote:

He was taken there - he was tortured. More probably than not he was tortured while he was there.
And you would have proof of this? Or is it just your opinion? Based on what you say below, just about everyone on earth has been tortured at some point in their lives.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Threat of being tortured is psychological torture.
No, it's a threat. Is the threat of being grounded by your parents considered "psychological torture" as well?

Dilbert_X wrote:

The mighty USA, land of the free, tortures people - get used to it.
Three times...on three admitted high-end AQ. I'm good with that.


Dilbert_X wrote:

Problem is that torture - I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" - isn't exactly a good sorting process
True enough - another self defeating and richly ironic part of the 'war on terror'
'We're going to terrorise you until you stop with the terrorism' - terrific.
Because three known, proven, documented high-level AQ operatives were waterboarded years ago. Generalization and hyperbole ftl.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Oh, I see. You condemn the US for something they aren't even accused of in the article...nice selective application of "innocent until proven guilty".
I'll say this again, you really can't tell if the wingnuts are parodying themselves or if they're serious.
The same could easily be said for your side of the argument, GTT.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
Sorry FEOS, I'll correct it right away.  Doh, can't.  SOrry.  LIve with it and STFU stalker.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

Sorry FEOS, I'll correct it right away.  Doh, can't.  SOrry.  LIve with it and STFU stalker.
So anyone who posts in one of your threads is a stalker?

I wish I was half as cool as you think you are.

Get the fuck over yourself.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
lol, no, just you.  nobody else has stalked my last three threads challenging insignificant parts of my posts without trying to add to the thread content.  you provoke arguments, you don't yield in the face of stupidity, you simply don't manage yourself well in adult conversation.  you are doing EXACTLY what usmarine and pollux did.  I'd ask you to stay away from replying to me until you can conduct yourself in a more mature manner, but I fear it would be in vain.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6965|Texas - Bigger than France
Torture? or Asshole?

Google says he's an Asshole.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Unclassif … li_Al_Ajmi

I'm surprised...or am I?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

lol, no, just you.  nobody else has stalked my last three threads challenging insignificant parts of my posts without trying to add to the thread content.  you provoke arguments, you don't yield in the face of stupidity, you simply don't manage yourself well in adult conversation.  you are doing EXACTLY what usmarine and pollux did.  I'd ask you to stay away from replying to me until you can conduct yourself in a more mature manner, but I fear it would be in vain.
How is claiming a guy being tortured, and then saying it works (in a decidedly sarcastic manner) insignificant? It's the heart of your fucking OP.

Seems like you just can't handle getting your bullshit called on the carpet. Deal with it.
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IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
wikisource: Guantanamo.

We will never know if he was the real deal or not.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California

FEOS wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

lol, no, just you.  nobody else has stalked my last three threads challenging insignificant parts of my posts without trying to add to the thread content.  you provoke arguments, you don't yield in the face of stupidity, you simply don't manage yourself well in adult conversation.  you are doing EXACTLY what usmarine and pollux did.  I'd ask you to stay away from replying to me until you can conduct yourself in a more mature manner, but I fear it would be in vain.
How is claiming a guy being tortured, and then saying it works (in a decidedly sarcastic manner) insignificant? It's the heart of your fucking OP.

Seems like you just can't handle getting your bullshit called on the carpet. Deal with it.
Cool.  I concede yet again, I have not personally watched him during his incarceration so I can't say first hand that he was tortured.  Dang I feel bad that you're right.  NOw go STFU.  Or better yet, contribute TO the thread or go troll elsewhere.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:

FEOS wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

lol, no, just you.  nobody else has stalked my last three threads challenging insignificant parts of my posts without trying to add to the thread content.  you provoke arguments, you don't yield in the face of stupidity, you simply don't manage yourself well in adult conversation.  you are doing EXACTLY what usmarine and pollux did.  I'd ask you to stay away from replying to me until you can conduct yourself in a more mature manner, but I fear it would be in vain.
How is claiming a guy being tortured, and then saying it works (in a decidedly sarcastic manner) insignificant? It's the heart of your fucking OP.

Seems like you just can't handle getting your bullshit called on the carpet. Deal with it.
Cool.  I concede yet again, I have not personally watched him during his incarceration so I can't say first hand that he was tortured.  Dang I feel bad that you're right.  NOw go STFU.  Or better yet, contribute TO the thread or go troll elsewhere.
So you can't defend your position and the best you can do is "contribute TO the thread or go troll elsewhere"? You and rammunition should hang together.

If you don't like people commenting in your thread...THEN DON'T FUCKING START A THREAD.

Read the subtitle of the forum.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7005|SE London

FEOS wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

lol, no, just you.  nobody else has stalked my last three threads challenging insignificant parts of my posts without trying to add to the thread content.  you provoke arguments, you don't yield in the face of stupidity, you simply don't manage yourself well in adult conversation.  you are doing EXACTLY what usmarine and pollux did.  I'd ask you to stay away from replying to me until you can conduct yourself in a more mature manner, but I fear it would be in vain.
How is claiming a guy being tortured, and then saying it works (in a decidedly sarcastic manner) insignificant? It's the heart of your fucking OP.
A very good point.....

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