BF2S Forums Ron Paul's book - The Revolution: A Manifesto

Turquoise wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Most honest politician- nope, don't think so.  More honest than the Republicrats for the most part, sure.

Are you suggesting that the Democrats are more honest?

Good point...  but maybe a better statement would be...  Obama is more honest than McCain.

Lolwut?  Like I asked for earlier, evidence?

pierro wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

The gold standard is worst than the federal reserve system? You just have to look at the recent drop of the US dollar and all the actions taken by the FED and you will see direct relationship between those two.

-A gold standard causes deflation (highly negative) and only the nations with lots of gold could use it
-The Fed has the ability to control inflation…with a gold standard that ability is kept up to chance (when people find gold money goes down). Also, inflation is by no means a negative (you can check other topics to found out why like here: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=99524)

My uncle, who has a Doctorate degree in economics, supports switching back to the gold standard.  I don't think anyone here really understands the eccentricities of the economy. Not that I do either.  I'm just throwing that out there.

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pierro wrote:

A gold standard causes deflation (highly negative) and only the nations with lots of gold could use it
-The Fed has the ability to control inflation…with a gold standard that ability is kept up to chance (when people find gold money goes down). Also, inflation is by no means a negative (you can check other topics to found out why like here: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=99524)

I just want to say first that I'm not an economist and in fact i just started to look into this subject since i learned about Ron Paul.

But correct me if i'm wrong, how can inflation be positive? You lose buying power and your money is worth less..  Damn even my worthless canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar right now.  The FED is pumping money into the system, lowering interest rates and the result is a weak dollar. I would trust the market a lot more than some guys whose decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of the government.

pierro wrote:

-How do people become part of the federal reserve? It’s because they are appointed by the President and sent through congress…it works sort of like the supreme court. They are given power to prevent great depressions (Paul's non interventionist policies of restricting capital etc...would have exacerbated it...even Milton Freidman agrees) and improve the economy (heaven help us if they do)…which is its mandate acting mostly through interest rates changes, it's more about that then printing money

So how come they were not able to prevent the crash in 1929? And what are they doing now to prevent the collapse of the american economy? By lowering interest rates?

pierro wrote:

-Saying what is going on is wrong (Bush leading America like an empire) doesn’t mean you are right…the fact of the matter is that most of the mainstream (i.e. most democrats and many republicans) are against this sort of “empire”…but ideas like pulling out of the UN won’t solve these problems (also spending in that area is a couple of percents of the GDP so its not like it will fix the economy)

Yea i have to agree that pulling out of the UN is not necessary but how about saving money by starting to take care of America's business first. I'm sorry but don't tell me that the War on Terror is just a couple percents of the GDP and even if it was, all that money sent overseas could have been spent on american soil.

pierro wrote:

-Republicans don’t want to start WW3 (gross generalization)
-Spending money on healthcare and education is a good thing

I said THE republican ie McCain.. that guy is nut. Elect him president and Iran is history and just watch what will happen with Russia

trust me, i live in Canada and socialized health care don't work.  Yes it's free but you have to wait a  lot longer than what you saw in that Michael Moore movie.

pierro wrote:

-The movie is listed under “conspiracy theories” in the section of the federal reserve in wikipedia…need I say more
-btw, I had watched it already in my younger more innocent years (It was very embarrassing for me when I brought up the points made in the movie to a real economist who utterly destroyed me)

-I'd love to issue a challenge over his other policy issues (almsot all are wrong)...but unfortunately I'm working all of next week so I can't

Yeah wikipedia, the real source of information of the internet.  The fact is that movie is very informative and you have to admit that you learned a lot by watching it in your younger years.

Its a question of opinion.. like you said earlier, you think he is wrong but other people will think he's right.  I cannot argue a lot on economic issue because i don't know much about that subject but if i had to chose between the market and a bunch of secretive bankers about how to run the economy of my country,  i would choose the market.

Everytime they lower the interest rate, the dow skyrocket.. just to go down after a couple of days... Talk about artificial prosperity

Ron Paul is the one man that could save the world

The main issue with switching to the Gold Standard is that it basically requires other countries to switch as well.  There's no reason for a country like Japan to recognize the value of the dollar in connection with the value of gold unless they have a large stake in gold themselves.  Japan, incidentally, has a remarkably small amount of gold with reference to its money supply, which is why Japan would be the most significant resistance we'd face in having a functioning gold standard.

Turq we are were the gold standard?

Turquoise wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good point...  but maybe a better statement would be...  Obama is more honest than McCain.

Lolwut?  Like I asked for earlier, evidence?

Well, he's upfront when confronted with issues like Wright.  He has denounced Wright quite thoroughly at this point, but he still admits that he once considered him a mentor.

As for McCain, well...  a good starting place to determine his honesty would be the Keating 5 scandal.

Obama never went out and brought it to attention.  He ignored it as long as possible, then in his speech he said the minimal amount, just so that he wouldn't lose the presidency.

Nobody cares about what McCaine did because it was so minor.  It's a pretty minor scandal.

John McCain had been only minimally involved

Benitt said that he felt the Committee pursued charges against McCain because, without him, the case would have been entirely against Democrats.

I don't think wright was ever pretending to speak for Obama.. with Obama's awareness at least.

I'll have you know it took a lot of convincing for the rest of the world to agree to that. (lol)

I'll get it. It's only 10 bucks on kindle.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Lolwut?  Like I asked for earlier, evidence?

Well, he's upfront when confronted with issues like Wright.  He has denounced Wright quite thoroughly at this point, but he still admits that he once considered him a mentor.

As for McCain, well...  a good starting place to determine his honesty would be the Keating 5 scandal.

Obama never went out and brought it to attention.  He ignored it as long as possible, then in his speech he said the minimal amount, just so that he wouldn't lose the presidency.

Nobody cares about what McCaine did because it was so minor.  It's a pretty minor scandal.

John McCain had been only minimally involved

Benitt said that he felt the Committee pursued charges against McCain because, without him, the case would have been entirely against Democrats.

Well, if we're going for the guilt by association angle, why not look at what the scandal involving his wife and that charity she was part of?

I could find any amount of dirt on just about anyone if I'm willing to condemn people because of who they happen to be friends with.

I am just sick and tired of hearing how the candidates are really going to change anything! We need to some how start cleaning up this country and get right. Buy the book, like I did and 10 pages in, you'll feel like our government has us bent over and just porking us in the ass!
I would like someone to argue the statement below as to how it is not true?

Every election cycle we are treated to candidates who promise us "change," and 2008 has been no different. But in the American political lexicon, "change" always means more of the same: more government, more looting of Americans, more inflation, more police-state measures, more unnecessary war, and more centralization of power.