Parker
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rammunition wrote:

Parker wrote:

rammunition wrote:


eerrrrrrrrr Israeli's goal was to stop rockets and get rid of hezbollah, they epic failed both and that is loosing. If Israel can't handle a small militia group what would happen if they get attacked with nukes?
you know whats funny?
when all the countries around israel got together and decided they were going to make them go away.
that didnt work so well for them....not then, and not now.
being surrounded by enemies for your entire existence forces you to possess a superior fighting force.
yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
but could handle multiple countries at the same time.
GG.
rammunition
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Parker wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Parker wrote:

you know whats funny?
when all the countries around israel got together and decided they were going to make them go away.
that didnt work so well for them....not then, and not now.
being surrounded by enemies for your entire existence forces you to possess a superior fighting force.
yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
but could handle multiple countries at the same time.
GG.
that was 60 years ago, now those multiple countries are bigger and stronger now, could they handle them now WITHOUT the help of the U.S???

i doubt it

Last edited by rammunition (2008-05-15 13:34:22)

Lisik
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rammunition if you have nothing to say better say that you have nothing to say. Don't make a joke of yourself. Everybody knows that Hezbollah cold be a history if UN wasn't stopping Israel.
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Lisik wrote:

rammunition if you have nothing to say better say that you have nothing to say. Don't make a joke of yourself. Everybody knows that Hezbollah cold be a history if UN wasn't stopping Israel.
LOL, the UN is controlled by the U.S, Israels best ally, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rammunition
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like i have said, Israel is NOTHING without the U.S

Israel would have been NOTHING without the U.S
Lisik
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You at least realizing what you are saying? US control UN, and UN order Israel to stop... hmmmm you then should go and say thanks to US...
Commie Killer
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Another vacation maybe?
God Save the Queen
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rammunition wrote:

Parker wrote:

rammunition wrote:


eerrrrrrrrr Israeli's goal was to stop rockets and get rid of hezbollah, they epic failed both and that is loosing. If Israel can't handle a small militia group what would happen if they get attacked with nukes?
you know whats funny?
when all the countries around israel got together and decided they were going to make them go away.
that didnt work so well for them....not then, and not now.
being surrounded by enemies for your entire existence forces you to possess a superior fighting force.
yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
a small militia group that owes its existence to Iran that embeds itself in dense civilian population centers and conducts offensive combat operations from said centers of population.
rammunition
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Lisik wrote:

You at least realizing what you are saying? US control UN, and UN order Israel to stop... hmmmm you then should go and say thanks to US...
yes, but that was only to make the U.S seem innocent in all this when infact they were arming Israel with weapons using airports from england  and other places to ship them to Israel to use on the people of Lebanon
Lisik
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rammunition wrote:

like i have said, Israel is NOTHING without the U.S

Israel would have been NOTHING without the U.S
lmao why you so angry?
rammunition
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God Save the Queen wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Parker wrote:


you know whats funny?
when all the countries around israel got together and decided they were going to make them go away.
that didnt work so well for them....not then, and not now.
being surrounded by enemies for your entire existence forces you to possess a superior fighting force.
yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
a small militia group that owes its existence to Iran that embeds itself in dense civilian population centers and conducts offensive combat operations from said centers of population.
same thing can be said about the U.S and the IRA
rammunition
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Lisik wrote:

rammunition wrote:

like i have said, Israel is NOTHING without the U.S

Israel would have been NOTHING without the U.S
lmao why you so angry?
im not angry, im just stating that without the U.S Israel wouldn't be where it is in terms of military, education, software engineering etc
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rammunition wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

rammunition wrote:


yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
a small militia group that owes its existence to Iran that embeds itself in dense civilian population centers and conducts offensive combat operations from said centers of population.
same thing can be said about the U.S and the IRA
lets pretend Im stupid and could you please explain more into detail what you are talking about.



We arent talking about the US or the IRA.  We are talking about Hezbollah.  What has the US and the IRA have to do with my response to your post that diminished the fighting effectiveness of the IDF at the same time praising the "small militia"?


your grasping at straws here friend.
Lisik
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education? dude! you are living in a dream!
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rammunition wrote:

Lisik wrote:

You at least realizing what you are saying? US control UN, and UN order Israel to stop... hmmmm you then should go and say thanks to US...
yes, but that was only to make the U.S seem innocent in all this when infact they were arming Israel with weapons using airports from england  and other places to ship them to Israel to use on the people of Lebanon
You shouldn't use that argument because the militias get them from somewhere too. So Israel buys them from the US for dollars and the militias get them for no money from Iran to fulfill Iran's goal. Those two things should cancel each other out. So find a different argument.
M.O.A.B
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rammunition wrote:

LOL, hezbollah embarrassed Israel, cartoons are nothing and i can show one of the opposite, they mean nothing. Plus it was the US of A who helped by supplying weapons throughout the war, meaning hezbollah defeated both Israel and America.
Nah,

this also sums up the situation pretty well,

https://www.freewebs.com/idf/MAIN/axisvsallieds.jpg

Any conventional well equipped Army could waste a militia in about 2 days just by wiping out the area. But if you think Hezbollah scored a victory against Israel, well then, that's a pretty failing victory.
Vax
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rawls2 wrote:

So find a different argument.
LOL 

I'm sure he will

It's mind bending trying to follow this guys "reasoning" he goes on and on about what monsters and butchers the Israelis are, with utterly  zero sense of perspective..
And then the next moment he is taunting at Israel that they "aren't tough enough to beat Hezbollah" 

*shakes head*

IRT topic: I feel for the typical Lebanese caught in the middle of this as usual. There were a couple people from Lebanon who posted at some other forums I go to, and I gathered from them that Hezbollah is not universally seen as so much the "heroic force" sworn to protect them from Israel that some here seem to think. There is a lot of hate for Nasrallah (sp) and quite a few folks who were not pleased at having rockets launched from their neighborhoods, which obviously made those civilian areas into targets for Israeli airpower.
It's tricky though the Hezzies do do a lot of civilian work and they do actually help people on some levels, and are perceived as more effective than the gov't there by some, so it's like they have a 'good side' and a 'terrorist' element.

Added:

Do these sound like the words of a leader who "defeated" Israel and the USA ?

I don't think either side "won"

Last edited by Vax (2008-05-15 14:34:52)

m3thod
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rawls2 wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Lisik wrote:

You at least realizing what you are saying? US control UN, and UN order Israel to stop... hmmmm you then should go and say thanks to US...
yes, but that was only to make the U.S seem innocent in all this when infact they were arming Israel with weapons using airports from england  and other places to ship them to Israel to use on the people of Lebanon
You shouldn't use that argument because the militias get them from somewhere too. So Israel buys them from the US for dollars and the militias get them for no money from Iran to fulfill Iran's goal. Those two things should cancel each other out. So find a different argument.
Isreal 'purchases' weapons from the US using its annual $3bn of aid provided generously by American tax payers.  Donating weapons with red tape would be more appropriate description for this 'transaction'.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
m3thod
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M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

LOL, hezbollah embarrassed Israel, cartoons are nothing and i can show one of the opposite, they mean nothing. Plus it was the US of A who helped by supplying weapons throughout the war, meaning hezbollah defeated both Israel and America.
Nah,

this also sums up the situation pretty well,

http://www.freewebs.com/idf/MAIN/axisvsallieds.jpg

Any conventional well equipped Army could waste a militia in about 2 days just by wiping out the area. But if you think Hezbollah scored a victory against Israel, well then, that's a pretty failing victory.
There's something about propoganda that just doesn't do it for me.

https://i32.tinypic.com/2v0d7w4.jpg
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AutralianChainsaw
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Hezbollah won the last round.. Israel's objective was to get their soldiers back, stop the rockets attack and destroy the Hezbollah.

They failed on the 3 objectives. Only thing they did is to bomb civlian area in Lebanon.

Hezbollah came out stronger from that war, Israel lost a lot of support because they killed a bunch of innocents civilians.

Of course Israel is stronger militarly ( with the help of the US and not because they managed to get strong by themselves)..

But everybody realized during that war that a well organized militia can inflict a lot of casualties to a modern military.

Lol they even managed to hit a warship.. you have to give them that.
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there are no Kalishnokov factories in Beirut, chainsaw.
FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Their main purpose is to protect the population of Lebanon from another murderous destruction of the Israeli invasion state.
Fixed

Hezbollah doesn't give a shit about Lebanon or the Lebanese people.
On February 16, 1985, Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin issued Hezbollah's manifesto. According to this manifesto (titled "An Open Letter: The Hizballah Program"), the three objectives of the organization are:
        * To expel Americans, the French and their allies (sic) definitely from Lebanon, putting an end to any colonialist entity on our land.
        * To submit the phalanges to a just power and bring them all to justice for the crimes they have perpetrated against Muslims and Christians.
        * To permit all the sons of our people to determine their future and to choose in all the liberty the form of government they desire. We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which alone is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any future tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration onto our country.

Where are you getting your ideas on hezbollah from?
This, as an example.

I know full well Hezbollah members are predominantly Lebanese. That doesn't mean that they give a shit about their countrymen. If they did, they would focus their efforts on the philanthropic side (which, admittedly, has helped many in Lebanon) and stop lobbing rockets at Israel, bringing retaliation down on themselves and their countrymen. Or, more concisely: take care of their neighbors and quit poking Israel in the eye.
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FEOS
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rammunition wrote:

Parker wrote:

rammunition wrote:


yeah , a "fighting force" which couldn't handle a small militia group.
but could handle multiple countries at the same time.
GG.
that was 60 years ago, now those multiple countries are bigger and stronger now, could they handle them now WITHOUT the help of the U.S???

i doubt it
Back then, they didn't have the US's help (predominantly France and UK). And the last time they took on multiple countries, it was ~30 years ago.

The US isn't the only country Israel buys arms from. Not now, not ever. The Israelis are the baddest sons of bitches over there when it comes to military capability, and their neighbors know that all too well.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
PureFodder
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FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Fixed

Hezbollah doesn't give a shit about Lebanon or the Lebanese people.
On February 16, 1985, Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin issued Hezbollah's manifesto. According to this manifesto (titled "An Open Letter: The Hizballah Program"), the three objectives of the organization are:
        * To expel Americans, the French and their allies (sic) definitely from Lebanon, putting an end to any colonialist entity on our land.
        * To submit the phalanges to a just power and bring them all to justice for the crimes they have perpetrated against Muslims and Christians.
        * To permit all the sons of our people to determine their future and to choose in all the liberty the form of government they desire. We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which alone is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any future tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration onto our country.

Where are you getting your ideas on hezbollah from?
This, as an example.

I know full well Hezbollah members are predominantly Lebanese. That doesn't mean that they give a shit about their countrymen. If they did, they would focus their efforts on the philanthropic side (which, admittedly, has helped many in Lebanon) and stop lobbing rockets at Israel, bringing retaliation down on themselves and their countrymen. Or, more concisely: take care of their neighbors and quit poking Israel in the eye.
So they should just sit there and allow Israel to repeatedly bomb them? Remember, the assumption that so many people fall straight into in this topic is that Israel only respond to outside agression and never do anything that is unprovoked. Once you ditch that bullshit, then these kinds of arguments suddenly either seem stupid or can be used just as well to justify their attacks against Israel. Remember the last Israeli invasion? If you read the papers and watched the news you saw that Hezbollah captured two Israeli troops and Israel invaded in retalliation to try to get them back. What isn't reported is that the day before, Israel abducted two civillians and have large numbers of people held in indefinate detention without charges. The two Israeli soldiers were abducted to try to force a prisoner exchange.

To say that one side only reacts to the other is utter bullshit.
FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

So they should just sit there and allow Israel to repeatedly bomb them? Remember, the assumption that so many people fall straight into in this topic is that Israel only respond to outside agression and never do anything that is unprovoked. Once you ditch that bullshit, then these kinds of arguments suddenly either seem stupid or can be used just as well to justify their attacks against Israel. Remember the last Israeli invasion? If you read the papers and watched the news you saw that Hezbollah captured two Israeli troops and Israel invaded in retalliation to try to get them back. What isn't reported is that the day before, Israel abducted two civillians and have large numbers of people held in indefinate detention without charges. The two Israeli soldiers were abducted to try to force a prisoner exchange.

To say that one side only reacts to the other is utter bullshit.
All I'm advocating is that Hezbollah do exactly what others here advocate Israel do...nothing.

Between the Israeli pullout of 2000 and the war in 2006, how many times did Israel launch unprovoked military operations into southern Lebanon?

None, at least from what Wiki provides.

And Israel isn't the only one of the two that captures/kidnaps people and holds them indefinitely (or kills them outright).
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― Albert Einstein

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