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2008-05-18 10:51:50
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Spark wrote:

[b]Yes, but we have to buy it. I have doubts as to whether Israel pays the US for its brand new choppers.
They do, via FMS and DCS. The "S" stands for SALES.

And Turq: The aid thing is part of diplomacy. Should we not engage in diplomacy with other countries? What if they ask for our help?

I'm not a fan of tons of foreign aid, but it has its place. There should just be MUCH less of it.
Again, if a nation wants our money, our people should get to decide via a referendum whether or not we actually give it to them, and there should be a clear explanation exactly how this money will be spent and why we are considering giving it to them.

Essentially, I want our foreign policy to be more directly accountable to our people's wishes.
No argument from me there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-05-18 11:56:44
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6621

FEOS wrote:

Spark wrote:

[b]Yes, but we have to buy it. I have doubts as to whether Israel pays the US for its brand new choppers.
They do, via FMS and DCS. The "S" stands for SALES.

And Turq: The aid thing is part of diplomacy. Should we not engage in diplomacy with other countries? What if they ask for our help?

I'm not a fan of tons of foreign aid, but it has its place. There should just be MUCH less of it.
Yeah they do pay for them.. with american tax payer's money.
2008-05-19 01:04:05
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

Kmarion wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Funnily enough, we've managed to avoid making people that angry by and large.  Having said that, the issue isn't what you'll do for us.  And what you'd actually do for us is send your armed forces over, because of ANZUS and (more importantly) because of the strategic implications.
Kinda nice not having any neighbors ain't it? Shark attacks are the only things you guys have to fend off.
And the Japanese...............

We do have neighbours, and they're alot closer than some of your enemies.
2008-05-19 01:42:52
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Spark wrote:

[b]Yes, but we have to buy it. I have doubts as to whether Israel pays the US for its brand new choppers.
They do, via FMS and DCS. The "S" stands for SALES.

And Turq: The aid thing is part of diplomacy. Should we not engage in diplomacy with other countries? What if they ask for our help?

I'm not a fan of tons of foreign aid, but it has its place. There should just be MUCH less of it.
Yeah they do pay for them.. with american tax payer's money.
/facepalm
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-05-19 01:44:06
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7094|UK

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Funnily enough, we've managed to avoid making people that angry by and large.  Having said that, the issue isn't what you'll do for us.  And what you'd actually do for us is send your armed forces over, because of ANZUS and (more importantly) because of the strategic implications.
Kinda nice not having any neighbors ain't it? Shark attacks are the only things you guys have to fend off.
And the Japanese...............

We do have neighbours, and they're alot closer than some of your enemies.
Jemaah Islamiyah...Indonesian Islamic terrorists.  Right next door to Oz.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-05-19 01:44:52)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2008-05-19 01:57:11
PureFodder
Member
+225|6708

FEOS wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

FEOS wrote:

They do, via FMS and DCS. The "S" stands for SALES.

And Turq: The aid thing is part of diplomacy. Should we not engage in diplomacy with other countries? What if they ask for our help?

I'm not a fan of tons of foreign aid, but it has its place. There should just be MUCH less of it.
Yeah they do pay for them.. with american tax payer's money.
/facepalm
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/world … srael.html
One of the terms of Israel's roughly $3 billion a year in aid from the US is that it will spend at least 73.7% on US arms. Apparently this is a new deal, previously is had to be all spent on US arms.

The US basically gives Israel 'US arms' vouchers in it's birthday card each year. The only choices Israel gets is to spend it on US arms or not recieve it.

The US tax payers pay to arm Israel with US arms. Israel supliments this with some of it's own money.
2008-05-21 20:15:32
Vax
Member
+42|6275|Flyover country
Thought about making a new topic, but I can just update here I suppose 

A Deal has been reached, seems like people there are happy about the unease being broken, but the upshot (Hezbollah getting  more influence) doesn't sound like very good news to me (as per the original topic)

BBC take here 

NYT here

Last edited by Vax (2008-05-21 20:17:45)

2008-05-21 20:20:44
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
Lesson learned: if you want influence in Lebanon, start a militia and attack Israel occasionally.  Then, attack the spineless government.

Israel never should have withdrawn from Lebanon.  They really can't govern themselves.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-21 20:21:16)

2008-05-21 20:29:17
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7024|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

They really can't govern themselves.
Whut? .. are you kidding? Lebanon is a successful Democracy. They just haven't had the military might to put down groups like the PLO and hezzbollah.
Xbone Stormsurgezz

 

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