CameronPoe wrote:
Has the Iranian government ever advocated a full-on war with the US? An attack on the US homeland? Newsflash Mr. Spaulding: you are in their neighbourhood and you should not be there. You are thousands of miles from home. Everything the US has done since the early part of last century has involved keeping the Iranian people down - read up on the Shah, Mohammed Mossadeq and the rest.
Well, it didn't take me long to find this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_worl … s_aga.htmlI'm pretty sure military parades with jeeps bearing banners with slogans reading "Death to America" is pretty close. I could spend more than 3 seconds looking if you'd like though.
Also doesn't the Iranian state run the news there? So the state puts forth images of US flag burnings and effigies of Uncle Sam & Bush being burned. Also the evidence of Iran's involvement in Iraq is more that enough to assume we ain't gonna be friends.
As great as the USA is, it can't go back in time and change the past. Israel is here to stay. Get used to it. Why the hell wouldn't the US back Iraq in a war when it looked like it was going to absorb Iran and it was obvious they would be obliterated because the Iranians getting better equipment/training/supplies from a country that truly was imperialistic and oppressive (USSR)? Fast forward... Again not being able to change the past but control the future, my President decided to rectify a wrong by removing Saddam and his successors (kids). We'd be a lot closer to leaving Iraq by now if Iran wasn't stoking the ashes. I think that Iran wants Iraq. I've seen the IRA/Palestine banners, but hell Cam, what dog do you have in this fight?
CameronPoe wrote:
Is it any wonder they are scared of and want to neutralise the threat posed by 'world overlord' USA? Who wouldn't want to make sure they had a deterrent to grubby self-interested oil-hungry Israel-friendly US hands?
Same "world overlord" that gives billions in aid to 3rd word countries when the
rest of the word looks the other way. Just for a second imagine the US had collapsed and the USSR won the cold war, how long do you think Iran would have kept its sovereignty?
CameronPoe wrote:
The USSR had nukes, the USSR fought proxy wars with the US and the USSR had anti-US propaganda - the USSR never attacked the US. Not in 45 years. Do you understand what deterrence is? Do you really hold the warped view that Iran would risk the utter annihilation of their entire nation for the off-chance that they could possibly do some relatively minor damage to the eminently powerful western world? That sir is called delusion.
I think you are delusional if you hold the view that Iran is a peace loving country with nothing but peaceful intentions toward its neighbors.
CameronPoe wrote:
There would be no reason for Iran to have acrimonious relations with the US if it were not for the US's refusal to recognise their rights as an equal member of the international community with the form of government of their choosing.
It ain't due to the form of government of their choosing why the US isn't talking to them. It is because of what their form of government does and condones.
CameronPoe wrote:
I don't see the US condemning China for being communist or Saudi Arabia for being a Wahabi brainwash dicatatorship... The US have pushed Iran to where they are now by constantly trying to undermine the Iranian people since the year dot.
I sure as shit wish we would. I'm tired of not being able to buy American. I'm tired of hearing how bad the US is when there are so many other countries like China that are the evil ones.
As to the Iranian suppression... What should the US have done? We don't like what you are doing and what you stand for so we'll reward you in some way.... Like maybe pay them off like the Clintons did to the North Koreans? Yea that worked really well. Not only did the NK's get the bomb, we fucking paid for it. Fuck Iran and their fanatical religious policies.
CameronPoe wrote:
As for the 'legitimacy' bullshit: Israel is a nation founded on terrorism. How can middle eastern nations be expected to talk to them if you refuse to talk to a nation you seem to regard as a 'terrorist'? Do you just believe in a world where 'last man standing wins' or soemthing? It's funny how peace was achieved in Northern Ireland after the Brits engaged with the IRA. If there are no words then there can only be a war of annihilation. Simple as that.
Again Cam... WHAT DO YOU WANT THE US TO SAY?
The last time America dealt with fanatics was in WWII - Japan. We won. How? We faced them with certain annihilation. I think that Japan is doing pretty good now.
CameronPoe wrote:
PS Fuck Israel. What the fuck does Israel have to do with this? Israel has nothing to do with the US. If you want to advocate supporting Israel militarily then know full well that you are supporting just one more bad apple in the rotten pile of shit that is the middle east. Israel has its own nuclear arsenal anwyay and is quite quite capable of defending itself. Its soldiers are far more capable and battle hardened than those of the US, they'll be just fine.
Reread your OP. You put Israel in this.
Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-05-21 13:18:59)
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