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2008-05-21 06:06:50
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
I'll bet you all thought this was about the US, didn't you?

But alas, no, 'tis my own home that's of concern.  The Victorian government has recently seen fit to isntitute a number of legal changes.  They include, but are not limited to, the following:

  •   All drivers under 26 are required to have their license on them at all times while driving.  Penalty is, I believe, a $500 fine.
  •   All drivers under 26 who are caught with a blood alcohol limit exceeding .07% (legal limit is .05%) get mandatory loss of license and can only drive cars with an alcohol interlock device fitted (I'll talk more about this later to clear up my objection)
  •   P-platers in their first year can't carry more than one passenger between 16 and 21.
  •   No clubs in the inner city may accept entries after 2am (RSL and the Crown Casino are, for some reason, excluded)
  •   Anybody caught carrying a can of spray paint is fined $5000 (yet sale is entirely legal )
  •   This added to the fact that not long ago police were given the right to randomly search people for weapons (as far as I know that's still in effect)
  •   Police are demanding semi-automatic weapons as standard issue, and look set to get them (again, I'll talk about this later)


Now, to clarify:

I think the alcohol interlock device is entirely sensible for any car owned by an offered but why not apply to all drivers?  Further, I feel that they should be allowed to drive cars without alcohol interlock, allowing them to borrow cars.  It's not going to make it any easier to drink drive (or rather, only slightly).  Finally the devices require a .00% BAC.  Why?  Legally, they can still drive with 0.05%.

As to police getting semi-automatic weapons:  keep in mind, this isn't the US.  Gun crime is low.  We get maybe two or three shootouts a year.  When there's an arrest where guns are expect to be involved SOG (think SWAT) handle it, and they have a large range of fully automatic weapons to choose from.  The last time a cop was killed he was shot with his own gun AND THE POLICE UNION USED IT AS A REASON TO GET SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS!  Further, the strongest voice arguing for the weapons is the Police Union, an organisation which tipped off an officer suspected of homicide that he was being investigated.  Illegally.  Then when the key figure in the action was removed from duty, they argued it was a violation of his rights.  Yes, you read that right, they defended an officer who tipped off a murderer by saying that his service to the community meant he deserved better.  And somehow, they're set to get them.

And somehow, nobody cares about any of this.  It's all just fine.

Please tell me I'm not the only who finds this shit crazy.

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-05-21 06:12:27)

2008-05-21 06:09:51
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

All drivers under 26 are required to have their license on them at all times.
At all time aka while in the car or at all time?
2008-05-21 06:12:05
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
While in the car.  Sorry, should have been clear about that.
2008-05-21 06:14:03
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

While in the car.  Sorry, should have been clear about that.
And the problem with that is...

Here you are demanded to carry not just your license, but the papers of the insurance and those of the car too.
2008-05-21 06:17:45
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
Apart from the fact that those over 26 aren't, licenses are very easy to lose or accidently not take.  Further, the I'm pretty certain the police can call up all the information they need on their computer (which is in their car).
2008-05-21 06:21:28
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6862|King Of The Islands

ZombieVampire! wrote:

*  All drivers under 26 are required to have their license on them at all times while driving.  Penalty is, I believe, a $500 fine.
Fix'd to since the things were introduced.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
2008-05-21 06:23:29
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Apart from the fact that those over 26 aren't, licenses are very easy to lose or accidently not take.  Further, the I'm pretty certain the police can call up all the information they need on their computer (which is in their car).
I take my license in my wallet at all times, coz that way I won't forget to carry it and I think it's required everywhere.  Anyway, what is wrong is that it's not required for people 26 or orlder.
2008-05-21 06:26:31
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
If there weren't so many hoon retards doing burnouts and drag-racing in Aus we wouldn't have this issue.
What's your solution to the problem?
How do we stop 18 year olds stacking their V8s into trees?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-05-21 06:30:40)

Fuck Israel
2008-05-21 06:27:09
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
Look at it this way:

For years, we have not been required to carry our license, and their have been no significant problems.  If you're driving without and get pulled over, you have to present yourself at the nearest station, with license, within 24 hours.  There was no reason to make the change other than the police wanted to.

Further, I don't always carry my wallet, it's big and bulky and often not needed.

Cheez wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

*  All drivers under 26 are required to have their license on them at all times while driving.  Penalty is, I believe, a $500 fine.
Fix'd to since the things were introduced.
Nope, drivers over 26 just have to present themselves within 24 hours (I think otherwise 2 or 3 hours, but I think that's actually just the old timing for P-platers without license).

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-05-21 06:28:46)

2008-05-21 06:28:26
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Look at it this way:

For years, we have not been required to carry our license, and their have been no significant problems.  If you're driving without and get pulled over, you have to present yourself at the nearest station, with license, within 24 hours.  There was no reason to make the change other than the police wanted to.

Further, I don't always carry my wallet, it's big and bulky and often not needed.
You don't carry any ID?  Credit cards?
2008-05-21 06:30:27
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

Dilbert_X wrote:

If there weren't so many hoon retards doing burnouts and drag-racing in Aus we wouldn't have this issue.
What's your solution to the problem?
Arrest them?  Is there something I'm missing?  Does that somehow not work?

sergeriver wrote:

You don't carry any ID?  Credit cards?
Sorry, I should clarify:  I always carry my drivers license, but only because without photo ID I'd probably be thrown in jail for vagrancy the way things are going.  There are times when it's very inconvenient.
2008-05-21 06:36:46
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7044|London, England
Man, that's some fucked up rules. I thought we had it bad. Also, remember that you guys also have quite a high level of censorship in the entertainment sector. I don't know what the fuck your previous government was talking about "fighting the war on terror" and "for freedom" and then talking about "Australian values" when talking about immigrants, when you guys yourself are pretty bad.

Then again, Australia is a giant jail cell. So don't be surprised. :p

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-05-21 06:37:46)

2008-05-21 06:39:10
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
Funny that you comment on this, because England recently did the reverse of Victoria with alcohol licensed venue rules.
2008-05-21 06:43:19
liquix
Member
+51|6877|Peoples Republic of Portland
where are you from eh?
2008-05-21 06:43:36
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
Victoria, Australia
2008-05-21 07:26:16
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7159|Salt Lake City

In the US:

1. If you are operating a motor vehicle you must have your drivers license with you.
2. You must have your registration in the vehicle.
3. You must have proof of insurance (may vary somewhat by state)
4. Even though the BAL is .08% you can still be arrested if you have any alcohol in your system and driving erratically/recklessly.

Your rules don't sound that strict, but stupidity among younger drivers has led to the need to address the problem.  Just remember, driving is not a right, it's a privilege.
2008-05-21 07:48:07
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL
I don't see the problem here, unless you plan on going out tagging buildings while drunk without your driver's license, you shouldn't have much of an issue...

on that note, In the states, you must have your license, registration, and proof of insurance in the vehicle at all times, regardless of age, and first year drivers can only have on other passenger.
2008-05-21 08:02:54
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:

I don't see the problem here, unless you plan on going out tagging buildings while drunk without your driver's license, you shouldn't have much of an issue...

on that note, In the states, you must have your license, registration, and proof of insurance in the vehicle at all times, regardless of age, and first year drivers can only have on other passenger.
As far as I know in NY, if you don't have the license on you, you need to produce it within a certain time period.  Also, NY has a bunch of restrictions on junior class drivers, but these don't exist when you are 18 or older, regardless of when you got your license.  I looked them up and wow! These are draconian.

In upstate NY counties...
Between 5am and 9pm,

You may drive alone for:

School course or activity
Employment
Medical appointment
Regularly-scheduled daycare for your child or a child of immediate family member
All other driving must be under the immediate supervision of a person who is at least age 21 and has a license valid for the vehicle being driven

Between 9 PM - 5 AM

You may drive alone for:

School course
Employment
Medical appointment
All other driving must be under the immediate supervision of your parent,  guardian, person "in loco parentis," who is at least age 21 and has a license valid for the vehicle being driven.



Anywho, I can see why he's pissed about it.
2008-05-21 08:15:48
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I don't see the problem here, unless you plan on going out tagging buildings while drunk without your driver's license, you shouldn't have much of an issue...

on that note, In the states, you must have your license, registration, and proof of insurance in the vehicle at all times, regardless of age, and first year drivers can only have on other passenger.
As far as I know in NY, if you don't have the license on you, you need to produce it within a certain time period.  Also, NY has a bunch of restrictions on junior class drivers, but these don't exist when you are 18 or older, regardless of when you got your license.  I looked them up and wow! These are draconian.

In upstate NY counties...
Between 5am and 9pm,

You may drive alone for:

School course or activity
Employment
Medical appointment
Regularly-scheduled daycare for your child or a child of immediate family member
All other driving must be under the immediate supervision of a person who is at least age 21 and has a license valid for the vehicle being driven

Between 9 PM - 5 AM

You may drive alone for:

School course
Employment
Medical appointment
All other driving must be under the immediate supervision of your parent,  guardian, person "in loco parentis," who is at least age 21 and has a license valid for the vehicle being driven.



Anywho, I can see why he's pissed about it.
I was under the impression he is old enough that it wouldn't have an impact on him though.

It's unfortunate that the government must step in to regulate things because people are so incapable of being responsible on their own.  The laws here were put into place after our new driver accident rate hit alarming levels, mostly due to cell phone use and distractions from passengers. 

I'll agree that it was a big inconvenience that first year when i could only have one passenger, but having been through the system, I see no reason to repeal the law.
2008-05-21 08:17:44
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7072
Wait..so where is this?
2008-05-21 08:18:32
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Wait..so where is this?
australia

but America has had these same laws for several years
2008-05-21 08:20:03
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:

I was under the impression he is old enough that it wouldn't have an impact on him though.

It's unfortunate that the government must step in to regulate things because people are so incapable of being responsible on their own.  The laws here were put into place after our new driver accident rate hit alarming levels, mostly due to cell phone use and distractions from passengers. 

I'll agree that it was a big inconvenience that first year when i could only have one passenger, but having been through the system, I see no reason to repeal the law.
He probably is old enough.  I just thought I would check what the requirements are for NY.  And yes, it is unfortunate that the government has to step in protect some people from themselves.  Knowing the people I knew in high school, I understand 100% why the NY DMV has those laws and restrictions on people under 18.  I never had to deal with them though, since I got my license after I turned 18.
2008-05-21 08:24:41
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I was under the impression he is old enough that it wouldn't have an impact on him though.

It's unfortunate that the government must step in to regulate things because people are so incapable of being responsible on their own.  The laws here were put into place after our new driver accident rate hit alarming levels, mostly due to cell phone use and distractions from passengers. 

I'll agree that it was a big inconvenience that first year when i could only have one passenger, but having been through the system, I see no reason to repeal the law.
He probably is old enough.  I just thought I would check what the requirements are for NY.  And yes, it is unfortunate that the government has to step in protect some people from themselves.  Knowing the people I knew in high school, I understand 100% why the NY DMV has those laws and restrictions on people under 18.  I never had to deal with them though, since I got my license after I turned 18.
I got mine at 16, so I had to put up with it for a year...

I'm not sure about New York state, but people here can't drive for shit, Chicago recently made it illegal to use a cell phone while driving in response to the number of accidents.

I myself have never been in an accident, but the sheer volume of accidents in the area means that my insurance premiums are sky high...

on that note, stay away from 159th and Harlem, most dangerous intersection on the south side, and I live 7 blocks away.
2008-05-21 08:26:38
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7072
Australia? Really?

Damnnnn well the words in my sig kind of explains why
2008-05-21 08:35:28
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:

I'm not sure about New York state, but people here can't drive for shit, Chicago recently made it illegal to use a cell phone while driving in response to the number of accidents.
It has been illegal to use a cell phone while driving in NY for a few years now.  People use them anyway, and it seems like the cops don't care.

And I think people everywhere drive like assholes.  Rochester is no different.  People don't believe in blinkers here.

 

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