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You just have to drive defensively.

As for blinkers, just get in an accident because you turned in front of a car that had their blinker on, and see what cop says as he's ticketing you.  It will likely be something to effect that if his blinker was on, it just means it works.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

You just have to drive defensively.

As for blinkers, just get in an accident because you turned in front of a car that had their blinker on, and see what cop says as he's ticketing you.  It will likely be something to effect that if his blinker was on, it just means it works.

Yes, when someone cuts me off without signaling, I get irritated.  I do not trust that people are turning when they have their blinkers on.  It is not a good idea to assume such things when your life and property are at stake.

Wtf are you talking about OP'er. Its called the law, and its common sense.

ghettoperson wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

Wtf are you talking about OP'er. Its called the law, and its common sense.

Did you actually read the OP or are you just stupid? His point is they have changed the laws to that and he's unhappy about it.

did you actually read my post, are you fucking illiterate? wow congratz, he's unhappy, go pick up your fucking award.

d4rkst4r wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

Wtf are you talking about OP'er. Its called the law, and its common sense.

Did you actually read the OP or are you just stupid? His point is they have changed the laws to that and he's unhappy about it.

did you actually read my post, are you fucking illiterate? wow congratz, he's unhappy, go pick up your fucking award.

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ZombieVampire! wrote:

P-platers in their first year can't carry more than one passenger between 16 and 21.

What's a P-plater?

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

In the US:

1. If you are operating a motor vehicle you must have your drivers license with you.
2. You must have your registration in the vehicle.
3. You must have proof of insurance (may vary somewhat by state)
4. Even though the BAL is .08% you can still be arrested if you have any alcohol in your system and driving erratically/recklessly.

Except that over here the registration is a sticker on the car, and the other information is available to any police car.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Your rules don't sound that strict, but stupidity among younger drivers has led to the need to address the problem.  Just remember, driving is not a right, it's a privilege.

Indeed, but it is my right not to be unfairly discrimated against.  A small number of drivers misbehave, and there are already rules in place for them (called anti-hoon laws, funnily enough).  Also consider:  if all people were banned from driving, you wouldn't be sitting there talking about how it's a privilege not a right.

S.Lythberg wrote:

I don't see the problem here, unless you plan on going out tagging buildings while drunk without your driver's license, you shouldn't have much of an issue...

What about if I buy spray paint for a legitimate purpose?  Or if I can't find my drivers license and need to go somewhere?  Or a group of friends need a lift somewhere (although I miss that law, it will affect others)?  The government has just spent alot of money on designated driver campaigns: that's down the drain.

Further, there's the bigger issue that it demonstrates irresponsible government:  there has been no evidence presented that these measures will improve the situation.

S.Lythberg wrote:

on that note, In the states, you must have your license, registration, and proof of insurance in the vehicle at all times, regardless of age, and first year drivers can only have on other passenger.

What are the requirements to get a license in the states?

S.Lythberg wrote:

I was under the impression he is old enough that it wouldn't have an impact on him though.

Some will, some won't.  But only because I got my license earlier (the laws discriminating based on age will still affect me).

S.Lythberg wrote:

I'll agree that it was a big inconvenience that first year when i could only have one passenger, but having been through the system, I see no reason to repeal the law.

But by the same token, there was no reason presented to change the law.

Pubic wrote:

Apart from the last two, everything is pretty much like that here already, except for the 2am thing which is completely voluntary (some bars don't give a fuck) and has gone gradually from 2am to 4am.  And we have to wear seatbelts or cop a fine.

I noticed your driving laws.  You're also not allowed to drive after 10pm on P-plates, yeah?

Pubic wrote:

The only people who complain about it are those who cause trouble, if you break some of those laws and you're not a dick to the cop they'll often let you away with an unofficial warning.

And I imagine if that's just the way things are people are less likely to notice it.

Personally, I have never had a speedig ticket and don't drink.  None of these laws will actually impact me (except possibly the nightclub one).  It's more the ridiculousness of it.  Firstly, it's irresponsible government.  Secondly, the laws have practically been dictated by police.

d4rkst4r wrote:

Wtf are you talking about OP'er. Its called the law, and its common sense.

It's common sense that people under 26 should be punished more harshly?  Or that spray paint should be legally sold but not carried?  Or that nightclubs ought be required to close at a certain time?  Or that after spending millions (possibly billions, over the years) on encouraging designated driving the government should prevent people from doing it?

We seem to have different definitions of sense.

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you've got a solution stop whingeing and tell us what it is.

1. Toughen he requirements to pass your drivers test. ie. instead of just being able to drive around like an old granny and do a 3 point turn, add some driver ability tests. Put them on an obstacle course and see how they handle a vehicle under extreme conditions and pressure. Make sure they can properly handle a car before putting them on the roads instead of them only thinking they can.
2. Toughen the requirements to get your car registered. Put every car through stringent safety checks, to make sure suspension, tyres and brakes are up to modern standards.
3. Put more restrictions on cars that can be imported/sold. They are still selling new cars with drum brakes FFS.
4. Improve the fucking roads.
5. Have realistic speed limits instead of the bullshit they have now.

DrunkFace wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you've got a solution stop whingeing and tell us what it is.

1. Toughen he requirements to pass your drivers test. ie. instead of just being able to drive around like an old granny and do a 3 point turn, add some driver ability tests. Put them on an obstacle course and see how they handle a vehicle under extreme conditions and pressure. Make sure they can properly handle a car before putting them on the roads instead of them only thinking they can.
2. Toughen the requirements to get your car registered. Put every car through stringent safety checks, to make sure suspension, tyres and brakes are up to modern standards.
3. Put more restrictions on cars that can be imported/sold. They are still selling new cars with drum brakes FFS.
4. Improve the fucking roads.

Agreed.

DrunkFace wrote:

5. Have realistic speed limits instead of the bullshit they have now.

As in higher or lower?

ZombieVampire! wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

5. Have realistic speed limits instead of the bullshit they have now.

As in higher or lower?

In a lot of cases raising them. But just be more realistic. The speed limits are put in place to accommodate the worst drivers, on the worst roads at the worst times in the worst cars. Educate and train the drivers, require everyone to use better cars and fix the roads and then have a variable speed limit for wet and dry conditions.

Also remove school zones from high schools, seriously, if your at high school and don't have any road sense by then... you deserve to get hit.

A nice, in-depth reply as always, Queenie.

DrunkFace wrote:

In a lot of cases raising them. But just be more realistic. The speed limits are put in place to accommodate the worst drivers, on the worst roads at the worst times in the worst cars. Educate and train the drivers, require everyone to use better cars and fix the roads and then have a variable speed limit for wet and dry conditions.

I agree on some (education/training, fixing roads [where necessary], and variable limit, better cars), but I feel speed limits are generally too high already: particularly given that most people view them as a required or recommended speed.  Even at current speeds people don't allow enough room, and 100km/h is pretty god-damn fast (speaking with relevance to reaction times).

DrunkFace wrote:

Also remove school zones from high schools, seriously, if your at high school and don't have any road sense by then... you deserve to get hit.

Do they have them for high schools?

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-05-22 07:56:41)

ZombieVampire! wrote:

•   All drivers under 26 are required to have their license on them at all times while driving.  Penalty is, I believe, a $500 fine.
•   All drivers under 26 who are caught with a blood alcohol limit exceeding .07% (legal limit is .05%) get mandatory loss of license and can only drive cars with an alcohol interlock device fitted (I'll talk more about this later to clear up my objection)
•   P-platers in their first year can't carry more than one passenger between 16 and 21.
•   No clubs in the inner city may accept entries after 2am (RSL and the Crown Casino are, for some reason, excluded)
•   Anybody caught carrying a can of spray paint is fined $5000 (yet sale is entirely legal )
•   This added to the fact that not long ago police were given the right to randomly search people for weapons (as far as I know that's still in effect)
•   Police are demanding semi-automatic weapons as standard issue, and look set to get them (again, I'll talk about this later)

1. that sounds quite alright with me...thats how it is here, for ANYONE.
2. i also have no problem with that, and i agree with you that it should be applied to the entire population.
3. makes perfect sense. a lack of driving experience will be what leads to the accident, and until you have enough experience, more than one passenger could be a distraction.
4. some bars/clubs do that here, but i cant relate cause right across the river, we have a 24 hour club.
5. if you guys have an overwhelming problem with graffiti, this makes perfect sense. the only time you would need to have it in your car, would be to transport it from the hardware store, to whatever job you were using it for.
6. define "randomly". do they search you if they just feel like it as you are walking down the street, or do you have to be doing something that would make them think you had something you werent supposed to?
7. dont know your gun crime problems......what do they carry now, revolvers?

Last edited by Parker (2008-05-22 08:10:24)