Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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If Obama is assassinated in June.. in California we have got a real problem in this country.
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Kmarion wrote:

If Obama is assassinated in June.. in California we have got a real problem in this country.
I don't even like him, but the country would be flung into mass hysteria. I'm not even sure the elections could go well, if at all.
Turquoise
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If Obama actually was assassinated, then a third party candidate might win, because everyone would either suspect Hillary or McCain was behind it.
imortal
Member
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FEOS wrote:

I'm no fan of Hillary, but I think this is blown completely out of proportion. She was referring to well-known Democrat primary campaigns that were still in question in June. I think the more telling aspect is how Obama's campaign jumps on whatever either Clinton or McCain say and try to make it a negative, regardless of the obvious intent.

The general is going to be a mud-slinging festival, with the first mud slung by Obama.

And that's a damn shame.
...and if anything negative is said about Obama, then it must obviously be racism.
Drakef
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Perhaps Clinton was merely referring to examples of situations where nomination races did not end as early as May. I don't see it as a big deal.
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The general is going to be a mud-slinging festival, with the first mud slung by Obama.
Pasted from Fox News? Not everything they say is true.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Drakef wrote:

Perhaps Clinton was merely referring to examples of situations where nomination races did not end as early as May. I don't see it as a big deal.
I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the Clinton's?..lol

I don't think she was suggesting that someone assassinate him. However the media has been ignoring her. For the desperate any attention is good attention. This isn't a fumbled how many states are there remark. I just don't think that brining a Kennedy's murder up while another Kennedy just got diagnosed with a terminal disease is a slip on the tongue.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The general is going to be a mud-slinging festival, with the first mud slung by Obama.
Pasted from Fox News? Not everything they say is true.
Where do you get this shit? Seriously. You have no idea which news outlets I watch or read regularly, or else you would realize how moronic your statement was. You assume, because I'm not a flaming socialist liberal, that I blindly watch Fox News and nothing else.

Here's a clue for your empty bag: I rarely watch Fox News. Your assumption--like so many of your arguments here--fails.

Now, back to the topic...

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?

It's simply pathetic.

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Dilbert_X
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I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?
What, he's done it once? Big deal.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?
What, he's done it once? Big deal.
No, he's done it repeatedly. And the media stokes the fire to keep it going.

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Dilbert_X
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For example?
Its not as if its a new tactic never used by anyone else in this campaign or any other.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

For example?
Its not as if its a new tactic never used by anyone else in this campaign or any other.
Bush's comments at the Knesset. While ill-advised, they were not directed at Obama but his campaign acted as if they were and the media ran with it.

Clinton's mention of RFK's assassination. Had NOTHING to do with Obama, yet his campaign (not him personally) have spun it as a slight against him.

Two examples off the top of my head from recent events. I would look for more, but like you, can't be bothered. Why don't you do your own research to prove my point?

Mud slinging isn't new, but taking comments that have nothing to do with you and then acting as if they are attacks on you to garner sympathy is something I personally don't recall seeing since I started paying attention to Presidential politics 20 years ago.
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ZombieVampire!
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FEOS wrote:

Bush's comments at the Knesset. While ill-advised, they were not directed at Obama but his campaign acted as if they were and the media ran with it.
Hwo do you know they weren't directed at Obama?
dan673
Member
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Drakef wrote:

Perhaps Clinton was merely referring to examples of situations where nomination races did not end as early as May. I don't see it as a big deal.
What Clinton did was show to the U.S., and the rest of the world, exactly why she's still in the race. She is waiting for any event to happen, which would automatically put her in favor of the nomination, or better yet, automatically put her as the nominee. Many people say that each word that comes out of Clinton's mouth is either calculated and planned. I happen to believe its true. She always intends what she says, and after she learns how the media reacts to it, she'll either apologize if it was taken offensively, or go on the air the next day and explain yet again why she's fighting until the end with more encouragement and confidence than ever. It's sickening.
FEOS
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ZombieVampire! wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Bush's comments at the Knesset. While ill-advised, they were not directed at Obama but his campaign acted as if they were and the media ran with it.
Hwo do you know they weren't directed at Obama?
Because Obama isn't the only one who's said those things. He isn't the only American, nor are Americans the only world citizens who have said those things.

That's how.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Turquoise
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FEOS wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Bush's comments at the Knesset. While ill-advised, they were not directed at Obama but his campaign acted as if they were and the media ran with it.
Hwo do you know they weren't directed at Obama?
Because Obama isn't the only one who's said those things. He isn't the only American, nor are Americans the only world citizens who have said those things.

That's how.
For what it's worth, I would agree that Obama probably shouldn't have acted as if Bush was comparing Chamberlain to him.
ZombieVampire!
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FEOS wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Bush's comments at the Knesset. While ill-advised, they were not directed at Obama but his campaign acted as if they were and the media ran with it.
Hwo do you know they weren't directed at Obama?
Because Obama isn't the only one who's said those things. He isn't the only American, nor are Americans the only world citizens who have said those things.

That's how.
And how many of the others are prominent politicians currently engaged in election campaigns for an opposition party?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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FEOS wrote:

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?

It's simply pathetic.
Your spilling the same pathetic crap every conservative talk show host says about him. The irony is they attack him daily while at the same time saying he is "untouchable" in the media. How feeble minded does a person have to be to not see what is sitting right in front of them? Maybe he should start to cry for his sympathy.
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I admire Hillary's determination, but to use the RFK assasination of '68 as an example for campaigns that have gone into June is surely ill-advised, if not outright stupid.
Because even if she wasn't actually implying it, people will automatically assume that she is waiting for almost anything to happen that will carry her campaign into June, and lead her to the nomination.
In other words, this gave some people the impression that she is a heartless bitch.

To me, it is now more clear than ever that Hillary wants the presidency more for herself ( as a personal prize ), and not because she wants to serve her country and fellow americans.

I am not saying Obama is much different, mind you. Every career politician needs determination. But at least he seems to be more able to push that egoistic side in him aside and come across as being honest and "real". At least that's the impression that the internaitonal news media is conveying over here.
Dilbert_X
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I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?
If thats true how does that translate to
The general is going to be a mud-slinging festival, with the first mud slung by Obama.
Are you saying the McCain campaign will be conducted by turtle doves delivering branches of cherry blossom?
Why would Obama necessarily sling the first mud either?
Given the conduct of the Republicans in the last election, the swiftboat crap etc. coming from the Bush/Cheney draft dodging ticket, I guess we can expect more of the same.
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nukchebi0 wrote:

Why didn't Hitler surrender in January 1945, and save the lives of many of his people?
I'm sure saving the lives of people was the last thing on his mind..
djphetal
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oh god wow... I was camping so I missed this happen. What a bad thing to say...
FEOS
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Kmarion wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?

It's simply pathetic.
Your spilling the same pathetic crap every conservative talk show host says about him. The irony is they attack him daily while at the same time saying he is "untouchable" in the media. How feeble minded does a person have to be to not see what is sitting right in front of them? Maybe he should start to cry for his sympathy.
Calm down there, KM. Are you going to stoop to the level of others here and assume you know how I'm going to vote?

How is Obama attacked daily (by other than conservative talk radio)? If you're talking about conservative talk radio, all the hosts I've heard since this started have attacked McCain as much as they attack Clinton or Obama. And please show how non-conservative media (ie, other than talk radio and Fox News) attack Obama? Even when they do a story with negative aspects (for him), it gets spun in such a way that he gets a pass.

Perhaps it's not Obama personally...he does seem to distance himself from it. But he doesn't admonish his campaign staff for making press releases either implying or outright stating that he is personally being attacked by someone's statements that had nothing to do with him.
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?
If thats true how does that translate to
The general is going to be a mud-slinging festival, with the first mud slung by Obama.
Are you saying the McCain campaign will be conducted by turtle doves delivering branches of cherry blossom?
Why would Obama necessarily sling the first mud either?
Given the conduct of the Republicans in the last election, the swiftboat crap etc. coming from the Bush/Cheney draft dodging ticket, I guess we can expect more of the same.
It's the start of a trend that I hope he nips in the bud, that's how it relates.

In order for the general to be a mud-slinging festival, both sides have to sling it, Dilbert. Obama would sling the first mud because he already has. But he's skillful enough to make it look like he's just responding to a non-existent attack. McCain and Obama (until recently, at least) attempted to keep the ad hominem attacks out of their campaigns, but it hasn't lasted and will only get worse as the general gets closer.

I guess it's just not possible for you to put aside your hatred for Bush/Cheney (and, by flawed extension, all things Republican) and look at any issue in US politics objectively. That's the kind of frothing-at-the-mouth partisan bullshit that is killing us right now. On a positive note, you would have many ideological compatriots.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7024|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I was referring to the recent tactic by the Obama campaign to take everything one of the other candidates says negatively and then decry the non-existent attack to get sympathy. He's doing it now and getting a pass...why wouldn't anyone think he'll be doing it in the general?

It's simply pathetic.
Your spilling the same pathetic crap every conservative talk show host says about him. The irony is they attack him daily while at the same time saying he is "untouchable" in the media. How feeble minded does a person have to be to not see what is sitting right in front of them? Maybe he should start to cry for his sympathy.
Calm down there, KM. Are you going to stoop to the level of others here and assume you know how I'm going to vote?

How is Obama attacked daily (by other than conservative talk radio)? If you're talking about conservative talk radio, all the hosts I've heard since this started have attacked McCain as much as they attack Clinton or Obama. And please show how non-conservative media (ie, other than talk radio and Fox News) attack Obama? Even when they do a story with negative aspects (for him), it gets spun in such a way that he gets a pass.

Perhaps it's not Obama personally...he does seem to distance himself from it. But he doesn't admonish his campaign staff for making press releases either implying or outright stating that he is personally being attacked by someone's statements that had nothing to do with him.
I never said a word about your vote, nor am I "not calm"..lol. I hear Glenn Beck, Sean Hanity, Rush, and others everyday take swipes at him. They mock him in terms of hope and change. They attack his inexperience and the people around him. He has addresed most of these issues head on. It's not just all victim politics. The attacks on McCain were there up until he was the presumptive nominee (by the right). Everything is spun by the opposite side of the aisle. This is nothing new. It's politics 101.
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