My healthcare solution

2008-05-26 20:32:00

#1

SealXo: Member; +309|6959

Lets face it, the government can barely run the DMV, let alone universal healthcare.
Most of the problem is illegal immigrants clogging up our Emergency room, and just immigrants who cant afford along with a few citizens.... Are these important things? No.
Over a month ago I walked in to see there were little babies with little earaches and tummy aches being called into the room, as the lady sitting next to me had what looked like a broken cheek bone.

Last month I had to get flown home after I "died", and the bill was 25,000 dollars.
35 minute flight..... My insurance covered it, but the reason they are charging this is because they know insurance will pay it all in a case of an emergency, and they charge so much because they get ripped form so many people without it.
My two day hospital bill was 50,000 dollars.
My Ambulance rides 15 miles to each airport were 4,000dollars.
a few thousand for a few scans...
no surgery btw.

What, the, fuck???

I could not believe this. The waiting room was full, and id say 20 out of the 30 people sitting in there looked like they had a bunch of kids with tickles in there throat.

Im not going to rail on illegal immigrants in here but you catch my drift.

My answer is to create free clinics all over Southern California, gov funded of course; And anyone who has no health insurance can go to these clinics so people who really need a ER doctor can get one, not for a monthly checkup.

Lines are to long? IDGAF, you already passed one line, you can wait in this one.

Anyone else think this is a good or bad idea?

On the other hand the cons for this is it will invite more people to run over.

Last edited by SealXo (2008-05-26 20:57:31)

2008-05-26 20:36:04

#2

blademaster: I'm moving to Brazil; +2,075|7068

good idea I agree some type of clinic is needed for people without insurance. But it should be funded well so it can take huge capacities of people since a lot of people might show up.

2008-05-26 20:49:10

#3

SealXo: Member; +309|6959

blademaster wrote:
good idea I agree some type of clinic is needed for people without insurance. But it should be funded well so it can take huge capacities of people since a lot of people might show up.

Well, we need to start somewhere.

I say good funding on this will help us in the longrun.

2008-05-26 20:53:58

#4

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6828|North Carolina

I think we could turn the ER into an illegal retriever system. Illegals come in, you give them the fast track to what appears to involve receiving care, and then you throw them into cages and deport them to an island far away from us. The initial expense would be high, but it would save us a lot of money in the long run by sending the message that if you trespass, you disappear.

2008-05-26 20:57:46

#5

SealXo: Member; +309|6959

Turquoise wrote:
I think we could turn the ER into an illegal retriever system. Illegals come in, you give them the fast track to what appears to involve receiving care, and then you throw them into cages and deport them to an island far away from us. The initial expense would be high, but it would save us a lot of money in the long run by sending the message that if you trespass, you disappear.

nice

2008-05-26 21:01:03

#6

Smithereener: Member; +138|6739|California

What if the government won't be able to run those emergency clinics? Like you already stated, our government is barely capable of running the DMV (albeit with much incompetence), let alone Universal Health Care. I doubt that it'll be able to fund or maintain these clinics properly.

I like Turquoise's idea though.

2008-05-26 21:15:49

#7

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6735

I'll admire any State that has a greater population than my entire country and manages to make free health care work.

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2008-05-26 21:21:59

#8

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7024|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:
I think we could turn the ER into an illegal retriever system. Illegals come in, you give them the fast track to what appears to involve receiving care, and then you throw them into cages and deport them to an island far away from us. The initial expense would be high, but it would save us a lot of money in the long run by sending the message that if you trespass, you disappear.

I hope that was a joke.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-05-26 21:26:46

#9

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|7129

Or, we could just deport all of the fucking illegals.

2008-05-26 21:41:40

#10

SealXo: Member; +309|6959

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Or, we could just deport all of the fucking illegals.

make me president and it is done
But in the meantime we need a realistic solution

2008-05-26 21:42:42

#11

SealXo: Member; +309|6959

Smithereener wrote:
What if the government won't be able to run those emergency clinics? Like you already stated, our government is barely capable of running the DMV (albeit with much incompetence), let alone Universal Health Care. I doubt that it'll be able to fund or maintain these clinics properly.

I like Turquoise's idea though.

Yes, but a clinic would def be easier than full free hospitals.
I say we should open say; 10 in Southern California, as a trail and see how it runs.

2008-05-27 00:32:37

#12

PureFodder: Member; +225|6708

Medicare runs at <5% admin costs, typical private insurance companies run at about 25-30% admin costs. The US government is vastly superior at running the health industry that corporations.

Illegals have absolutely nothing to do with the present state of the US healthcare industry, the fact that it's privatised does.

As far as healthy looking people sitting in waiting rooms goes, most medical conditions have no visible signs, especially in the early stages. You really can't just look at someone and determine how sick they are.

2008-05-27 02:11:43

#13

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6834|'Murka

Those clinics would be absolutely overrun. How would you verify that the person doesn't have health insurance? So you get tons of people with coverage going to these clinics because they know it will be free...and you get Soviet bread line-style waits.

PF: He was talking about the ER. Emergency Room (or Department). For emergencies, not sniffles and not developing conditions that are in the early stages. We're talking risk to life, limb or eyesight. It's fairly easy to tell who needs to be in the ER and who doesn't (I've made innumerable trips there with my son). Those who are showing no outward signs of distress/illness but are truly in need are few and far between.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-05-27 02:48:19

#14

PureFodder: Member; +225|6708

FEOS wrote:
Those clinics would be absolutely overrun. How would you verify that the person doesn't have health insurance? So you get tons of people with coverage going to these clinics because they know it will be free...and you get Soviet bread line-style waits.

PF: He was talking about the ER. Emergency Room (or Department). For emergencies, not sniffles and not developing conditions that are in the early stages. We're talking risk to life, limb or eyesight. It's fairly easy to tell who needs to be in the ER and who doesn't (I've made innumerable trips there with my son). Those who are showing no outward signs of distress/illness but are truly in need are few and far between.

Broken bones in feet, hands and wrists are common injuries that A&E departments deal with that show little outward sign of illness, plus the chances are that the majority of people in an A&E waiting room are waiting for other people, not ill/injured themselves. There may be a mother with a crying sniffing baby with a dad recieving treatment elsewhere.

Assuming that the US system works in a similar way to the UK, when someone wth a serious time critical problem comes in, the queue of non-threatening problems waits for them, hence the only time anyone with minor issues gets attention is when there is nobody with a major issue that needs help.

The only time the queue should get annoying is if you yourself have a minor complaint and are not prioritised above them, hence you can't complain about other people being there with minor complaints.

2008-05-27 03:09:28

#15

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6834|'Murka

I fully realize that patients are seen according to the severity of their presentation, not the order they arrived (did you miss the part where I said I've been to the ER with my son innumerable times?). The point being that regardless of how they are prioritized, those non-emergent cases are taking up resources and cost (keep in mind we're talking about basically non-paying patients here) in the ER rather than waiting a day or so to see their GP.

I'm talking about what it's like in US ERs. I won't comment on ERs (or A&E depts) in the UK since I haven't been through one, nor will I pretend to be an expert on the UK medical system in general since I neither live there nor work in your medical system.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-05-27 03:13:32

#16

Zombie_Affair: Amputee's...BOOP; +78|6239|Fattest Country in the world.

Turquoise wrote:
I think we could turn the ER into an illegal retriever system. Illegals come in, you give them the fast track to what appears to involve receiving care, and then you throw them into cages and deport them to an island far away from us. The initial expense would be high, but it would save us a lot of money in the long run by sending the message that if you trespass, you disappear.

Pretty much Australia all over again?

2008-05-27 03:20:15

#17

PureFodder: Member; +225|6708

FEOS wrote:
I fully realize that patients are seen according to the severity of their presentation, not the order they arrived (did you miss the part where I said I've been to the ER with my son innumerable times?). The point being that regardless of how they are prioritized, those non-emergent cases are taking up resources and cost (keep in mind we're talking about basically non-paying patients here) in the ER rather than waiting a day or so to see their GP.

I'm talking about what it's like in US ERs. I won't comment on ERs (or A&E depts) in the UK since I haven't been through one, nor will I pretend to be an expert on the UK medical system in general since I neither live there nor work in your medical system.

If they wait a couple of days and see a GP, are they not going to incur similar costs and resources then. If they're only seen when there is no serious problems to take care of, therefore only increasing wait times to similarly low level injuries and the government will be carrying the costs whether they see a GP or go to an ER, what's the big issue? It should neither incovenience you or cost the ER anything.

In fact, without them, wouldn't there be times when the ER staff lack critical patients and are therefore wasting time and resourced doing bugger all, when they could be seeing to some low level injuries while they wait for the next major one?

Last edited by PureFodder (2008-05-27 03:22:52)

2008-05-27 06:49:52

#18

The#1Spot: Member; +105|6963|byah

SealXo wrote:
Lets face it, the government can barely run the DMV, let alone universal healthcare.
Most of the problem is illegal immigrants clogging up our Emergency room, and just immigrants who cant afford along with a few citizens.... Are these important things? No.
Over a month ago I walked in to see there were little babies with little earaches and tummy aches being called into the room, as the lady sitting next to me had what looked like a broken cheek bone.

Last month I had to get flown home after I "died", and the bill was 25,000 dollars.
35 minute flight..... My insurance covered it, but the reason they are charging this is because they know insurance will pay it all in a case of an emergency, and they charge so much because they get ripped form so many people without it.
My two day hospital bill was 50,000 dollars.
My Ambulance rides 15 miles to each airport were 4,000dollars.
a few thousand for a few scans...
no surgery btw.

What, the, fuck???

I could not believe this. The waiting room was full, and id say 20 out of the 30 people sitting in there looked like they had a bunch of kids with tickles in there throat.

Im not going to rail on illegal immigrants in here but you catch my drift.

My answer is to create free clinics all over Southern California, gov funded of course; And anyone who has no health insurance can go to these clinics so people who really need a ER doctor can get one, not for a monthly checkup.

Lines are to long? IDGAF, you already passed one line, you can wait in this one.

Anyone else think this is a good or bad idea?

On the other hand the cons for this is it will invite more people to run over.

I have a better idea no Health care and illegal or citizen you are on your own. People that are legit should not have to pay for people that think that they are saving money for not paying health insurance and use it to their advantage.

2008-05-27 07:03:27

#19

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6973|CH/BR - in UK

TBH, in countries such as the USA and Brazil (only stating the ones I know for sure do this), you go to the hospital if you get sick and it doesn't pass the first 2 days. You don't even try to deal with it yourself first - no, you' head straight to the doctor's.
I don't get it! In Switzerland, if you're a kid and get sick, your mother takes care of you for a week, making you chicken soup or whatever, ensuring you get better, with the mindset of "the less antibiotica the better".
My step mother is exactly the opposite of this, and goes to the hospital for every little thing. Any small thing should require surgery, because she's paying after all. It's a mania of over-treatment, and if you can stop that, I'm sure you can solve shitloads of healthcare problems.

-konfusion

2008-05-27 10:28:12

#20

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|7078

I've got an idea. Have two separate lines, one for people with insurance, and one for people without. The people with insurance get to go first. The people without insurance have to wait, even if it means for hours on end. Perhaps maybe add a one hour limit, then they'll get served. Also, those in dire need of assistance get top priority. But if little Juanito has a slight cough, he's going to have to wait for the actual citizens of this country, who actually pay for this, get their broken legs and ulcers fixed first.

2008-05-27 10:39:13

#21

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7159|Salt Lake City

Here's a simple idea. It won't make the problem go away, but it will certainly make those that use ER rooms as their primary care support to think twice about not carrying insurance.

How about hospitals being required to see insured patients first, and patients without insurance will be seen when there are no insured patients waiting.

2008-05-27 10:46:46

#22

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6914|Northern California

I like the county hospitals I've seen that are free if you don't already have insurance. I think those should be expanded and more funded to allow care for those in need. While I don't agree illegals are the "cause" of the high pricing, they do cost alot and I like Turquoise's idea to remove them upon admittance into the ER. Have an ICE room where agents can ID them, lojack them, and parachute them and their brown brothers deep into Mexico by the plain load.

As Michael Moore points out in "Sicko" it's the cost of managed care..the 30% overhead that is the biggest source of healthcare costs. If that were removed; ie. have the doctor's office work DIRECTLY with patients...it would be a huge start. But since we have NO politicians not on the take from managed care, and no politicians (well, Kucinich isn't really a REAL poliitican! lol) supporting the removal of the HMO and the managed healthcare for profit industry....we will continue to hemorage cash from our employers and our paychecks and out of pocket for the substandard healthcare we receive...because yes, for the most part, we do have substandard healthcare for the money spent.

My cheapass HMO healthcare costs me about a grand a month... My employer picks up about 75% of it, and I pay the rest. Imagine if I could have that money myself, and have government subsidied/paid healthcare? Or maybe single payer/non-managed healthcare where I pick my doc, pay him for the healthcare he offers me, and my employer can pick up the prearranged portion/percentage of the bill? lol I know, I dream.

2008-05-27 12:41:33

#23

liquix: Member; +51|6877|Peoples Republic of Portland

Going to suck when there are 10 thousand less general practitioners here in the next eight years or so. Get ready to be services by a nurse.

2008-05-27 13:54:52

#24

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6914|Northern California

liquix wrote:
Going to suck when there are 10 thousand less general practitioners here in the next eight years or so. Get ready to be services by a nurse.

..which is almost better in many cases. i haven't required an actual doctor in years relying on nurses for most "real" medicine. on sunday, the wife and I chose to have a midwife for our baby delivery instead of a doctor (nobody gets docs anymore because they are inept).

Pretty funny idea though.

2008-05-27 15:21:37

#25

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I think we could turn the ER into an illegal retriever system. Illegals come in, you give them the fast track to what appears to involve receiving care, and then you throw them into cages and deport them to an island far away from us. The initial expense would be high, but it would save us a lot of money in the long run by sending the message that if you trespass, you disappear.
I hope that was a joke.

Moving the cages to an island might be less productive than just leaving them on the border (with the illegals still locked in them) as examples of what happens when you sneak in.

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