Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
I think the point is that this is "politically obvious" ... Obama's historic participation in the church and his assumed endorsement of its messages is still a smoking gun that characterizes his attitudes. It doesn't go away despite his eloquent speeches or his resignation from the church, but rather it just makes him look like he has no backbone.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
All the critics that were bashing him for not disavowing him will be doing the same pretentious "I know his true feelings " spin that you are. As far as assumptions.. well, you know what they say about that. Politically obvious would be to drop him when the story first broke (when the race was tight with Hillary). Not after he kicked her ass. I understand your disappointment though..lolOrangeHound wrote:
I think the point is that this is "politically obvious" ... Obama's historic participation in the church and his assumed endorsement of its messages is still a smoking gun that characterizes his attitudes. It doesn't go away despite his eloquent speeches or his resignation from the church, but rather it just makes him look like he has no backbone.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
I take that back ... "politically obvious?" ... well, it depends.Kmarion wrote:
All the critics that were bashing him for not disavowing him will be doing the same pretentious "I know his true feelings " spin that you are. As far as assumptions.. well, you know what they say about that. Politically obvious would be to drop him when the story first broke (when the race was tight with Hillary). Not after he kicked her ass. I understand your disappointment though..lolOrangeHound wrote:
I think the point is that this is "politically obvious" ... Obama's historic participation in the church and his assumed endorsement of its messages is still a smoking gun that characterizes his attitudes. It doesn't go away despite his eloquent speeches or his resignation from the church, but rather it just makes him look like he has no backbone.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?
That makes sense, although I think the whole media portraying Obama as the second coming is a little embellished. I say this because I see and hear him attacked everyday. Glenn Beck, Rush, Sean Hannity, Schnitt, Michelle Malkin are all media personalites that I listen to regularly. Pushing the opinion that Obama is playing the poor me card is political spin all in itself (even while they as members of the mass media attack him routinely). Your last few sentences nailed it. Cynics will see everything as insincere.OrangeHound wrote:
I take that back ... "politically obvious?" ... well, it depends.Kmarion wrote:
All the critics that were bashing him for not disavowing him will be doing the same pretentious "I know his true feelings " spin that you are. As far as assumptions.. well, you know what they say about that. Politically obvious would be to drop him when the story first broke (when the race was tight with Hillary). Not after he kicked her ass. I understand your disappointment though..lolOrangeHound wrote:
I think the point is that this is "politically obvious" ... Obama's historic participation in the church and his assumed endorsement of its messages is still a smoking gun that characterizes his attitudes. It doesn't go away despite his eloquent speeches or his resignation from the church, but rather it just makes him look like he has no backbone.
You know, K, without a political resume, the electorate has to make assumptions wherever they might lie. I don't think that the church association is going to be a deciding factor - Obama's supporters will dismiss it as a political attack, and his opponents will accept it as a genuine fact. Those in the middle (such as myself) don't care anyway because we think all the candidates for this office are absolute, certified 101% CRAP (and I thought the pub/dem offerings in 2004 couldn't get any worse).
Thus, this move by Obama is really intended to help solidify his base in case any supporters might have doubts. Nothing more. So, let me complete my correction:
It is therefore, "politically obvious" to those of us who are cynics and those others who are Obama opponents. But, for those who have been mesmerized by the second coming of Camelot, then this is a "necessary move" because poor Obama is being unfairly attacked.
Now, I can go and throw-up in peace ...
Perhaps. But there is an inescapable flaw in logic behind the idea of letting this stuff simmer for awhile and then making the political move.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Just because he waited so long does not make this any less of a political move. I don't know if it was more political or personal, but I think Obama benefited from this greatly.
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
You'd respect him more if he admitted that he believed the CIA created AIDS to keep the black man down, or whatever crap it is Wright goes on about? I very much doubt it Lowing. Does that mean you respect Wright more than Obama?lowing wrote:
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
Not only did he agree with it he allowed his children to be indoctrinated.lowing wrote:
I think it means nothing that he "resigned" from this church. HE was an active member of it for 20 years. He obviously knew what was being preached from the pulpit and even more obviously agreed with it. 20 years folks!!. If he was so offended by Wright or others, he would have "resigned" 20 minutes after joining not 20 years.
He went to church to worship God, not his preacher.lowing wrote:
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?iamangry wrote:
Wow, if only he did this back when he first had kids so they weren't poisoned with that shit those dumb asses spout. This is just a political move, and its obvious.
Not that this will matter to you. As OH pointed out:Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.
Again, the attempted fooling would have been long before this escalated. I guess McCain isn't fooling anyone either.The jerks in both of these churches are seizing on the opportunity for the spotlight.OrangeHound wrote:
It is therefore, "politically obvious" to those of us who are cynics and those others who are Obama opponents.
I would respect him more if he honestly stuck with whatever it was he believed, regardless of the consequences. Pandering to voters and telling them what HE thinks THEY want to hear to win votes does nothing to secure my admiration for him as a politician.ghettoperson wrote:
You'd respect him more if he admitted that he believed the CIA created AIDS to keep the black man down, or whatever crap it is Wright goes on about? I very much doubt it Lowing. Does that mean you respect Wright more than Obama?lowing wrote:
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?
I am sorry, when did it come to pass where a presidential candidates associations, involvements, etc....... are not fair game for scrutinization? Or is it now so, for Obama and Obama only, because he is black and therefore exempt from such queries?Kmarion wrote:
He went to church to worship God, not his preacher.lowing wrote:
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Kmarion wrote:
Predictable . And what was it when he didn't leave?Not that this will matter to you. As OH pointed out:Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.Again, the attempted fooling would have been long before this escalated. I guess McCain isn't fooling anyone either.The jerks in both of these churches are seizing on the opportunity for the spotlight.OrangeHound wrote:
It is therefore, "politically obvious" to those of us who are cynics and those others who are Obama opponents.
I see the timing of this is still being ignored... as people act as if they aren't surprised.
Of course they are subject to scrutiny. As I've said before there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. It's obvious to me that when there is nothing real to attack a person with that the next logical step is to go after the people around him and claim that's who they are as well. The man is serving this country as a United States Senator and running for the Presidency and we are supposed to believe he has got some deep hidden hate for the US? Doesn't make sense.lowing wrote:
I am sorry, when did it come to pass where a presidential candidates associations, involvements, etc....... are not fair game for scrutinization? Or is it now so, for Obama and Obama only, because he is black and therefore exempt from such queries?Kmarion wrote:
He went to church to worship God, not his preacher.lowing wrote:
The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.Not that this will matter to you. As OH pointed out:Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.Again, the attempted fooling would have been long before this escalated. I guess McCain isn't fooling anyone either.The jerks in both of these churches are seizing on the opportunity for the spotlight.OrangeHound wrote:
It is therefore, "politically obvious" to those of us who are cynics and those others who are Obama opponents.
I see the timing of this is still being ignored... as people act as if they aren't surprised.
