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Poll

Does PBSS often show hacks for you?

Mostly13%13% - 3
Not Much21%21% - 5
Almost Never65%65% - 15
Total: 23
2008-06-04 23:39:23
Rofl_My_Waffle
Member
+11|6950
I realised that punkbuster screen shots aren't very helpful in catching hackers that are obviously hacking.

The screen shots that are taken doesn't show much.

Unless they are using no fog, see players through walls, or enemy name hacks. However not many people use these hacks.

PBSS can do nothing for aimbot which is the most common. Commander asset hack is also very common that PBSS doesn't catch if you actually know who is doing it to begin with. Server crash hacks are probably the worst which screen shots will not help.

This is only my opinion, just wondering what is it doing for everyone else.
I think punk buster needs a better system to take out those hackers.

This post is obviously directed to other server admins. So you don't have to vote if you don't know what im talking about.

BTW im an admin of the  IMA Infantry Only City Maps  server.

Last edited by Rofl_My_Waffle (2008-06-04 23:52:08)

2008-06-04 23:42:33
Hakei
Banned
+295|6254
Yes, PB shots miss a whole bunch of the screen and don't offer much in the way of information.

However, lots of hacks actually get around the PBSS system so it shows the hacker as being clean, even if his screen is full up with hacks.
2008-06-04 23:49:49
Rofl_My_Waffle
Member
+11|6950
I know, things like that is so stupid. Though I still ban them so they don't appear on our server so it is no longer our problem.

But knowing the fact they are going to hop in another server is unsatifying, they call for a PB Ban.

By no means are hackers hard to catch, well some like to be sneaky. Like drop a supply crate on themselves unlike idiots who randomly spam them. With a good eye you can catch that. Aimbotters are the easiest to catch as having a high KDR draws suspicion. Once they have you attention, it is very very easy to see the hacks. Just too bad Punk Buster Screens don't see anything.

Last edited by Rofl_My_Waffle (2008-06-05 00:00:48)

2008-06-04 23:56:00
Hakei
Banned
+295|6254
TBH when I was a server admin, PBSS were never checked out, if someone was suspected of hacking, I did a name hack test to make sure they wasn't using another name, then speced them for signs of snapping after each kill.

Easiest way of detecting a hack tbh.
2008-06-05 01:38:01
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6912|pimelteror.de
It´s hard work, to keep a server clean. And catching Cheaters via PBSS is a boring daily routine, because you have to look through hundreds of "clean" Screens to maybe catch one Cheater with a detectable hack. But anyway.. our server ( =c@t= Clan Germany 85.17.14.174:17567 ) is streaming to GGC ( www.gemeinsam-gegen-cheater.de ) and to PBBans, so our first line of defense are two large Banlists and every Cheater i find, gets his banlist entry in those lists. The second line is a good Administration. We have a lot of active Admins, who try their best, to keep idiots and hackers away.

Unfortunately there is no 100% protection.. and even when PBSS does not help in all cases - every Cheater i find and report, is one less Cheater on all GGC and/or PBBans streaming Servers.

PS. Do not stream to PsB. They suck balls.
2008-06-05 04:37:40
Collateralis
Beep bep.
+85|6629|Stealth on Grand Bazaar
Running your own server you find ways to catch people out. Unfortunately PBSS doesn't really prove alot, as people have said above PBblockers just 'turn off' the hacks for a couple of milliseconds whilst it SS's your screen.

I remember catching only a handful of people using PBSS, many because they had cheap hacks. The best way is to be on the server/or have other admins on the server and watching out for people. Usually following them and seeing if they are getting kills shooting through fog/flipping between targets etc, checking BR footage can be time consuming, but you can keep people off your server by banning them next time. It's pretty clear on BR or if you follow them around whether they are cheating or not. For example, most cheats will look through buildings at a player, most legit player will watch the corners/exits, where the enemy will appear (remember about UAV etc).

PBSS is poor at doing what it's supposed to do because hackers are always one step ahead, with PB updating to catch up.
2008-06-05 04:40:25
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6698|King Of The Islands

nighthawk843 wrote:

Running your own server you find ways to catch people out. Unfortunately PBSS doesn't really prove alot, as people have said above PBblockers just 'turn off' the hacks for a couple of milliseconds whilst it SS's your screen.

I remember catching only a handful of people using PBSS, many because they had cheap hacks. The best way is to be on the server/or have other admins on the server and watching out for people. Usually following them and seeing if they are getting kills shooting through fog/flipping between targets etc, checking BR footage can be time consuming, but you can keep people off your server by banning them next time. It's pretty clear on BR or if you follow them around whether they are cheating or not. For example, most cheats will look through buildings at a player, most legit player will watch the corners/exits, where the enemy will appear (remember about UAV etc).

PBSS is poor at doing what it's supposed to do because hackers are always one step ahead, with PB updating to catch up.
FYI, I "look" at people on UAV.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
2008-06-05 05:08:16
TrashBlinD
french canadians suck
+135|6901|can
Plus I noticed a bunch of bugs that look like hacks on PBSS. For example, if you switch sides while looking at your map and some squad leader's name is flashing because he's using radio chat, then you'll see hm on the other side also, and his SL icon will be red. A PBSS sees that = ban. GG PB.
2008-06-05 05:19:04
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6912|pimelteror.de

TrashBlinD wrote:

Plus I noticed a bunch of bugs that look like hacks on PBSS. For example, if you switch sides while looking at your map and some squad leader's name is flashing because he's using radio chat, then you'll see hm on the other side also, and his SL icon will be red. A PBSS sees that = ban. GG PB.
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2008-06-05 05:25:03
Collateralis
Beep bep.
+85|6629|Stealth on Grand Bazaar

Cheez wrote:

FYI, I "look" at people on UAV.
Not in the same way. You will look in the general direction, i.e. not DIRECTLY at them, I do the same then look to where the exit point is and wait. Hackers will probably watch them all the way and pre-fire even before they are completely visible. You'll also probably get a 'snap' when they first look at the target through the wall. If you've seen it then you would understand what I'm talking about.

Last edited by nighthawk843 (2008-06-05 05:25:23)

2008-06-05 05:35:43
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6698|King Of The Islands

nighthawk843 wrote:

Cheez wrote:

FYI, I "look" at people on UAV.
Not in the same way. You will look in the general direction, i.e. not DIRECTLY at them, I do the same then look to where the exit point is and wait. Hackers will probably watch them all the way and pre-fire even before they are completely visible. You'll also probably get a 'snap' when they first look at the target through the wall. If you've seen it then you would understand what I'm talking about.
I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm just putting it out there to your vigilante recruits that people actually use the map.
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
2008-06-05 06:08:18
Collateralis
Beep bep.
+85|6629|Stealth on Grand Bazaar

Cheez wrote:

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm just putting it out there to your vigilante recruits that people actually use the map.
Ye I usually spot targets even if I'm not going to shoot them immediately, then I can backtrack and move across the map (using my HUD) with them still spotted, and work out where they are going to end up. With UAV it's so much easier, most people don't predict where the enemy will be which is why they get suprised. Hackers on the other hand will see everything, usually you can see them snapping/knowing without spotting/UAV. I will predict/guess where people will go, but I won't be watching them through walls...thats the vital difference.
2008-06-05 21:23:12
Rofl_My_Waffle
Member
+11|6950
Its not about spotting the hackers, it is getting them PB Banned. Any hacker who has hacks that can boost their performance might as well wear a bright pink hat in that yellow colored over played map.

Its about letting them free to menace the hundreds of other servers.
2008-06-05 22:29:48
Cyrax-Sektor
Official Battlefield fanboy
+240|6407|San Antonio, Texas
Usually the menaces are taken out. Or reported. I've seen very few hackers recently. They've either moved on, or play on other servers. PBSS is good at times for catching minimap hacks, aimbots and wallhacks. Best thing you can do is report them, don't let them ruin your server haunts. They win if you leave.

Best thing you as a player can do is report them at the server's site or here in the sticky thread. I've helped server admins get on the trail of some hackers in my time, using PBSS and BR footage to close the case. Sadly, none of them went to the forum to debate it. That'd be funny to see them pulling at any half-ass excuse, even going as far as accusing me.
2008-06-06 04:28:18
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6912|pimelteror.de
The best thing a player can do is:
Play on streaming servers and support those communities. It doesn´t matter, if the server is streaming to PBBans, Game-Violations or GGC - it does matter, that those Servers are part of a bigger community who care about banning cheaters. Those Organisations already banned many thousands of cheating pricks and only if their servers are the populated, we can fight cheaters.
2008-06-06 07:28:24
I'm Jamesey
Do a Research Noob
+506|6391|Scotland!
Who uses PB screens nowadays? most admins just judge if I'm legit or a cheater from the 3 times I shot them and issue bans accordingly
2008-06-06 07:42:03
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6912|pimelteror.de
Good and motivated admins still use them
2008-06-06 07:43:04
Titch2349
iz me!
+358|6611|uk

PB screens do not work very well.

Of the hacks that can be viewed on screen (i.e. not commander hack, aimbot), its only the free hacks that show up - the rest come PBSS clean, or provide a blank screenshot.

The PBSS do not show up the whole screen- only a portion of it, which doesn't help either.

The server I used to be an admin on did not actively view the PBSS's, not only due to these reasons, but also because of the amount of time it takes to look at them all!

We usually had 3 admins on at a time, and just used our guesses to guess hackers, followed them for a bit, and then asked for someone elses opinion before making a decision.

I can go on forever about how much more difficult and frustrating been an admin is than what many people believe, but i'll save that for another thread.

Last edited by Titch2349 (2008-06-06 07:44:12)

2008-06-06 10:23:57
JackerP
aka S.J.N.P.0717
+21|6537|Mo Val, Cali
For aimbot if you truly want them pbbanned just record a spectating of this or dl br and send it in with proof. If there is any they will get banned, if there isn't they will keep playing as they're not cheating. It works out, they don't get banned, and you don't get upset that they will "hack" another server (unless they actually do).

 

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