Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6972|UK

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

My job requires me to drive up and down the state at great lengths, sometimes over the mountains. Some jobs require a convoy of truck/water trailer and cube van/trailer. As the gas prices raise, so do the costs to our customers. Being wealthy, they generally don't care so much, but some people can't seem to apply this to smaller products that are shipped and mailed all over the country.
Problem is, much of the rest of the world is having to contend with those costs.  My cousin works as a salesmanager in the UK.  He drives up and down the country every day, easily on 100miles on average perday, if not more, and its like $10 a gallon over there.  It's all very well that in our geographical situation, a lot of this transport is needed, that need doesnt mean we are excused cost.

Over here, we look at those prices and think, ''fuck that'', and any president in the past who even had a wiff of saying we need to pay realistic prices for gas would never get in.  Regardless if we get a president with the balls to tell us we need to pay for gas, if he doesnt, the price is just going to inflate that way anyway.  I say enjoy $4-5 a gallon while you can.

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2008-06-07 10:27:21)

mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|7021|S.C.
OP: Imposing $8/gallon overnight is suicide. The extra cost of producing/using/transporting goods and services will instantly rise and will be passed on to the consumer; Expect to see hyper inflation, devaluation of the dollar and an instant rise in the cost of imports. By the time Exports rise sufficiently and infrastructure levels are acceptable, the damage has already hit with full force.
- Essentially what Deadmonkiefart said.
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6758|Oregon

mikeyb118 wrote:

OP: Imposing $8/gallon overnight is suicide. The extra cost of producing/using/transporting goods and services will instantly rise and will be passed on to the consumer; Expect to see hyper inflation, devaluation of the dollar and an instant rise in the cost of imports. By the time Exports rise sufficiently and infrastructure levels are acceptable, the damage has already hit with full force.
- Essentially what Deadmonkiefart said.
Oh I know, there are prerequisites to this whole plan. I was kinda fuming when I wrote this, and it was actually intended for a different audience so some of the stuff isn't perfectly thought out and it lacks the context that it had originally.

This could, however, realistically be done, but it would require a lot of planning and the backing of a lot of people and politicians. Of course we couldn't implement the increased prices immediately, but we could start building the foundation we need for it to work.

Buuuut... it's never gonna happen, I'm just hypothesizing.
logitech487
Member
+16|6825|From The State Of Taxes
Thanks to the environmentalist lobby and its influence on Democratic legislators in Congress, the U.S. Has, for decades, been prohibited from drilling for oil in places that we know contain billions of barrels of proven reserves.
China, Cuba, Canada and others continue to drill off our shores where US companies are not allowed to drill because of Democratic policies!
China and Cuba are actively exploring oil fields 50 miles from Key West, Florida while U.S. Companies are barred from working in this area because of U.S. Policy . So, instead of allowing the most environmentally responsible companies to operate there and increase our domestic supply, China, who has a dismal environmental record, is preparing to suck our close, lucrative oil reserves dry.
Investor's Business Daily recently explained how irresponsible the Democrats have been on the energy crisis. They lay into what they consider to be the worst Congress ever for ©..

~ Failing to allow drilling in ANWR. We have, as President Bush noted, estimated capacity of a million barrels of oil a day from this source alone -- enough for 27 million gallons of gas and diesel. But Congress won't touch it, fearful of the clout of the environmental lobby. As a result, you pay through the nose at the pump so your representative can raise campaign cash.

~ Refusing to build new refineries. The U.S. Hasn't built one since 1976, yet the EPA requires at least 15 unique 'boutique' fuel blends that can be sold in different areas around the nation. This means that U.S. Refinery capacity is stretched so tight that even the slightest problem at a refinery causes enormous supply problems and price spikes. Congress has done nothing about this.

~ Turning its back on nuclear power. It's safe and, with advances in nuclear reprocessing technology, waste problems have been minimized. Still, we have just 104 nuclear plants -- the same as a decade ago -- producing just 19% of our total energy. (Many European nations produce 40% or more of their power with nuclear.) Granted, nuclear power plants are expensive -- about $3 billion each. But they produce energy at $1.72/kilowatt-hour vs. $2.37 for coal and $6.35 for natural gas.

~ Raising taxes on energy producers. This is where a basic understanding of economics would help: Higher taxes and needless regulation lead to less production of a commodity. So by proposing 'windfall' and other taxes on energy companies plus tough new rules, Congress only makes our energy situation worse.

These are just a few of Congress' sins of omission -- all while India, China, Eastern Europe and the Middle East are adding more than a million barrels of new demand each and every year. New Energy Department forecasts see world oil demand growing 40% by 2030, including a 28% increase in the U.S.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7038|do not disturb

It wouldn't work. The government would make too many screw ups along the line (Katrina anyone?), waste too much money, and most citizens wouldn't approve of it. Not everyone can ride a bus to work, or ride a bike.

What the government can do is stop the printing press and raise interest rates. That would fight inflation, and any price exacerbation done by speculators would hopefully lessen.

Last edited by Phrozenbot (2008-06-07 22:52:57)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6868|The Land of Scott Walker
+1 logitech487
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

logitech487 wrote:

Thanks to the environmentalist lobby and its influence on Democratic legislators in Congress, the U.S. Has, for decades, been prohibited from drilling for oil in places that we know contain billions of barrels of proven reserves.
China, Cuba, Canada and others continue to drill off our shores where US companies are not allowed to drill because of Democratic policies!
China and Cuba are actively exploring oil fields 50 miles from Key West, Florida while U.S. Companies are barred from working in this area because of U.S. Policy . So, instead of allowing the most environmentally responsible companies to operate there and increase our domestic supply, China, who has a dismal environmental record, is preparing to suck our close, lucrative oil reserves dry.
Investor's Business Daily recently explained how irresponsible the Democrats have been on the energy crisis. They lay into what they consider to be the worst Congress ever for ©..

~ Failing to allow drilling in ANWR. We have, as President Bush noted, estimated capacity of a million barrels of oil a day from this source alone -- enough for 27 million gallons of gas and diesel. But Congress won't touch it, fearful of the clout of the environmental lobby. As a result, you pay through the nose at the pump so your representative can raise campaign cash.

~ Refusing to build new refineries. The U.S. Hasn't built one since 1976, yet the EPA requires at least 15 unique 'boutique' fuel blends that can be sold in different areas around the nation. This means that U.S. Refinery capacity is stretched so tight that even the slightest problem at a refinery causes enormous supply problems and price spikes. Congress has done nothing about this.

~ Turning its back on nuclear power. It's safe and, with advances in nuclear reprocessing technology, waste problems have been minimized. Still, we have just 104 nuclear plants -- the same as a decade ago -- producing just 19% of our total energy. (Many European nations produce 40% or more of their power with nuclear.) Granted, nuclear power plants are expensive -- about $3 billion each. But they produce energy at $1.72/kilowatt-hour vs. $2.37 for coal and $6.35 for natural gas.

~ Raising taxes on energy producers. This is where a basic understanding of economics would help: Higher taxes and needless regulation lead to less production of a commodity. So by proposing 'windfall' and other taxes on energy companies plus tough new rules, Congress only makes our energy situation worse.

These are just a few of Congress' sins of omission -- all while India, China, Eastern Europe and the Middle East are adding more than a million barrels of new demand each and every year. New Energy Department forecasts see world oil demand growing 40% by 2030, including a 28% increase in the U.S.
If this is solely a Democrat problem, then how come the Republicans didn't do anything about it from 2001 to 2006?  They had the presidency and both houses.  They had basically nothing in their way at that point.

Also, it's not just environmentalists that block drilling and refinery production.  A lot of average citizens don't want to have to deal with the pollution that comes from refineries, so they vote against the construction of them in their cities.  You've probably heard about that new refinery that will be built in South Dakota soon, but that was a rare case where the local population favored the construction of a refinery.

So, if you want to blame anyone, blame the citizens who don't want additional pollution in their hometowns and the tourism industries that block construction in areas like Key West.  Again, it's not just environmentalists involved here, but as you've shown, they are an easy mark for criticism.

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