(T)eflon(S)hadow
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REUTERS wrote:

Iran withdraws $75 billion from Europe

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has withdrawn around $75 billion from Europe to prevent the assets from being blocked under threatened new sanctions over Tehran's disputed nuclear ambitions, an Iranian weekly said.

Western powers are warning the Islamic Republic of more punitive measures if it rejects an incentives offer and presses on with sensitive nuclear work, but the world's fourth-largest oil exporter is showing no sign of backing down.

"Part of Iran's assets in European banks have been converted to gold and shares and another part has been transferred to Asian banks," Mohsen Talaie, deputy foreign minister in charge of economic affairs, was quoted as saying.

Iranian officials were not immediately available to comment on the report in Shahrvand-e Emrouz, a moderate weekly, which did not specify the time period for the withdrawals which it said were ordered by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"About $75 billion of Iran's foreign assets which were under threat of being blocked were wired back to Iran based on Ahmadinejad's order," the weekly said.

Iran's Etemad-e Melli newspaper, also quoting Talai, last week also reported the country was withdrawing assets from European banks but did not give any figures.

On Saturday, Iran again ruled out suspending uranium enrichment despite the offer by six world powers of help in developing a civilian nuclear program if it stopped activities the United States and others suspect are designed to make bombs.

The offer -- agreed last month by the United States, Britain, Russia, China, Germany and France -- is a revised version of one rejected by Tehran two years ago.

Iran's refusal to suspend nuclear enrichment, which can provide fuel for power plants or material for weapons if refined much more, has drawn three rounds of U.N. sanctions since 2006. Tehran says it aims only to generate electricity.

EU diplomats have said the bloc is preparing an asset and funds freeze on Iran's biggest bank, state-owned Bank Melli, but that it first wants to see how Tehran responds to the new offer.

Iran is making windfall gains from record global oil prices and said in April its foreign exchange reserves stood at more than $80 billion.

Iran's foreign reserves figure has been climbing steadily. Some analysts say that, alongside rising oil revenues, Iran has been helped by its decision to shift away from the U.S. dollar into other currencies as the dollar has weakened.

Iran has made the shift as Washington has tried to isolate the Islamic state, including imposing sanctions on Iranian banks. That has pushed many Western banks to scrap dollar dealings with Iran or even end business completely.

Western countries suspect Iran is seeking the ability to make nuclear weapons. Tehran insists its secretive program is purely aimed at generating energy. (Reporting by Parisa Hafezi; Writing by Fredrik Dahl; Editing by Ruth Pitchford)
Not really earth shattering news, but Iran is not going to stop it's nuclear enriching programme. (no surprise) Time will tell if it actually stops... one way or another.

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2008-06-16 14:02:27)

Lotta_Drool
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Iran will keep playing rope a dope with Europe till it gets nukes and then he will be able to tell Europe what to do.  Obama won't do shit when he is elected and I can come on the forum and listen to people whine about America causing the problem and therefore has to save them.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Iran will keep playing rope a dope with Europe till it gets nukes and then he will be able to tell Europe what to do.  Obama won't do shit when he is elected and I can come on the forum and listen to people whine about America causing the problem and therefore has to save them.
...at which point we can say 'told you so' and 'solve it yourself' as Cam always suggests.  oh the irony in that would be spectacular
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Iran won't nuke anyone coz of MAD.
CameronPoe
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Why should they bother? They saw what happened to Iraq - nukes are pretty much their only safe haven. I say gg Iran. Nobody sanctions Israel for their nuclear arsenal or 31 year breach of UN resolution 242 so I say 'GG Iran, get those nukes before it's too late'.
too_money2007
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lulz

Cam is happy a shithole of a cuntry is going to get nukes, which, the odds are, is more likely to use them than not.
Mekstizzle
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Iran will keep playing rope a dope with Europe till it gets nukes and then he will be able to tell Europe what to do.  Obama won't do shit when he is elected and I can come on the forum and listen to people whine about America causing the problem and therefore has to save them.
Why the fuck would Iranian nukes tell us what to do when we have nukes of our own. Fucking dumb ass. All it will do is level the playing field so we don't fuck around with them so much.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-06-16 14:23:40)

CameronPoe
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too_money2007 wrote:

lulz

Cam is happy a shithole of a cuntry is going to get nukes, which, the odds are, is more likely to use them than not.
Yeah cos the USSR used them as soon as they developed them didn't they? You morons are incapable of understanding mutually assured destruction and the fact that Arabs and Muslims are actually normal human beings. Fucking pathetic. Keep lapping up that pro-Israel anti-Muslim propaganda: Goebbels would be proud. Why you guys care about a nation militarily puny compared to you lying more than 7000 miles from your coast says something about you, not me... You want the entire world to bend to your will. I'll snigger under my breath when it becomes your turn to bend to the will of truly despotic shithead regimes like Russia and China. Unfortunately it won't just be you - it'll be all of us, but at least then you'll know what it feels like to be at the mercy of economically more powerful nations.

These countries' only crimes have been to have oil and to be antagonistic towards a nation that stole all of the homes, farms, businesses and land of their Palestinian brothers because some silly fairy story in a several thousand year old book told them to. You guys are just too blind to see Israel for what it is.

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too_money2007 wrote:

lulz

Cam is happy a shithole of a cuntry is going to get nukes, which, the odds are, is more likely to use them than not.
Did you miss the cold war?
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Use an umbrella
CaptainSpaulding71
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CameronPoe wrote:

too_money2007 wrote:

lulz

Cam is happy a shithole of a cuntry is going to get nukes, which, the odds are, is more likely to use them than not.
Yeah cos the USSR used them as soon as they developed them didn't they? You morons are incapable of understanding mutually assured destruction and the fact that Arabs and Muslims are actually normal human beings. Fucking pathetic. Keep lapping up that pro-Israel anti-Muslim propaganda: Goebbels would be proud. Why you guys care about a nation militarily puny compared to you lying more than 7000 miles from your coast says something about you, not me... You want the entire world to bend to your will. I'll snigger under my breath when it becomes your turn to bend to the will of truly despotic shithead regimes like Russia and China. Unfortunately it won't just be you - it'll be all of us, but at least then you'll know what it feels like to be at the mercy of economically more powerful nations.
your argument regarding MAD works when both parties wish to live.  certain fanatical people want to get ahold of these nukes to destroy others - ie, use as offensive weapon.  they do not care about living - hence MAD is not effective argument.

as far as state sponsored use of these nukes, i agree with your argument in that they would get annihilated if they used them offensively.  i'm unsure if this would draw china and russia into the fray since they seem to love iran these days. 

however, if a rogue power got ahold of them...that's what worries me the most.  iran could make these weapons available to al qaeda people to use as a terror weapon.  this is what must be prevented.  if provided, iran could always say that al qaeda stole the weapon, etc to absolve iran from responsibility and protect itself from second strike.  finding and capturing/killing those responsible will be very difficult since they do not have a state that sponsors them like afghanistan or sudan any longer.  the terrorists are among the fish in the stream so it's hard to pick them out.
CameronPoe
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

your argument regarding MAD works when both parties wish to live.  certain fanatical people want to get ahold of these nukes to destroy others - ie, use as offensive weapon.  they do not care about living - hence MAD is not effective argument.

as far as state sponsored use of these nukes, i agree with your argument in that they would get annihilated if they used them offensively.  i'm unsure if this would draw china and russia into the fray since they seem to love iran these days. 

however, if a rogue power got ahold of them...that's what worries me the most.  iran could make these weapons available to al qaeda people to use as a terror weapon.  this is what must be prevented.  if provided, iran could always say that al qaeda stole the weapon, etc to absolve iran from responsibility and protect itself from second strike.  finding and capturing/killing those responsible will be very difficult since they do not have a state that sponsors them like afghanistan or sudan any longer.  the terrorists are among the fish in the stream so it's hard to pick them out.
Iran would never do anything that would cause the destruction of its nation. As far as supplying Al Qaeda - a group ideologically opposed to the Shi'a state of Iran - I would consider it unlikely as they may even decide to turn the thing on Iran itself. Iran also know that if Israel or the west got nuked, the west would throw the rulebook out the window and probably nuke them anyway - even if they weren't to blame! If any nuclear incident occurred in the middle east Iran would automatically get fingered, no ifs no buts, even though Pakistan would more likely be the culprit at this current point in time.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-16 14:53:39)

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sergeriver wrote:

Iran won't nuke anyone coz of MAD.
Yep, France alone has more than enough nukes to flatten Iran.
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CameronPoe wrote:

Nobody sanctions Israel for their nuclear arsenal or 31 year breach of UN resolution 242 so I say 'GG Iran, get those nukes before it's too late'.
Sigh, here we go again...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina
Cam's right...  If Israel can have them, so can Iran.
God Save the Queen
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you people are talking like the world is even close to being fair.  quit bitching about unecessary invasions if you are going to go that route.  because, with that logic, anything we do to Iran will be justified.  they represent an obstacle for the interests of those that run this country.  no different than israel being Irans obstacle for regional dominance.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-06-16 15:40:26)

God Save the Queen
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Persians are just as foreign to Arab lands as gringos
(T)eflon(S)hadow
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sergeriver wrote:

Iran won't nuke anyone coz of MAD.
Iran dosent have MAD, cause they cant do "MAD"
I can assure you if they did strike, we would AD them...

CameronPoe wrote:

Why should they bother? They saw what happened to Iraq - nukes are pretty much their only safe haven. I say gg Iran. Nobody sanctions Israel for their nuclear arsenal or 31 year breach of UN resolution 242 so I say 'GG Iran, get those nukes before it's too late'.
Bother what? Moving their assets so they can use them? I think it's a pretty good move for the country of Iran to move around nearly 100 Billion. I actually argee that is a good move. Would really suck to go and purchase something, only to find your accounts frozen by the world banking system...

And For Fucks Sake! Why, I will never know, do you always have to put Isreal is the bad guy in every thread? UN resolution 242 has nothing to fucking do with this topic... GTFO or stay on topic, geez man!
Lotta_Drool
Spit
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MAD works well in the Middle East.  Sadam was so full of fear he Invaded Kuwait after being warned and then shot Missles at Israel.  Yep, after the first war he new his country didn't stand a chance and he straightened up and listened to the world, didn't shoot at US jet, plot assinanations, build missiles that could reach Israel, or kick weapon inspectors out of his country.

Oh wait, I guess that was just AD.  I am sure MAD would be much better though.  Especially when the leader of Iran wants to be the one to get the glory for destroying Israel.

As too the how could they boss Europe around when it would just level the playing field, please to be so fucking stupid.
CameronPoe
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Bother what? Moving their assets so they can use them? I think it's a pretty good move for the country of Iran to move around nearly 100 Billion. I actually argee that is a good move. Would really suck to go and purchase something, only to find your accounts frozen by the world banking system...

And For Fucks Sake! Why, I will never know, do you always have to put Isreal is the bad guy in every thread? UN resolution 242 has nothing to fucking do with this topic... GTFO or stay on topic, geez man!
I think it's a great idea for them to move their assets - a no-brainer. I think you misread what I meant. As for the Israel reference: it's to highlight the ever-present hypocrisy in western dealings with the rest of the world.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-16 15:56:55)

God Save the Queen
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

MAD works well in the Middle East.  Sadam was so full of fear he Invaded Kuwait after being warned and then shot Missles at Israel.  Yep, after the first war he new his country didn't stand a chance and he straightened up and listened to the world, didn't shoot at US jet, plot assinanations, build missiles that could reach Israel, or kick weapon inspectors out of his country.

Oh wait, I guess that was just AD.  I am sure MAD would be much better though.  Especially when the leader of Iran wants to be the one to get the glory for destroying Israel.

As too the how could they boss Europe around when it would just level the playing field, please to be so fucking stupid.
I have to disagree.  Official Iraqi documents found after we took over show that Saddam thought he had a chance.  They show that he had way too much confidence and a flawed defense plan that relied heavily on the individual bravery of his troops and nearly nothing on logistical or tactical superiority. 

Saddam Hussein though he could hold out in Baghdad long enough to have international public opinion change the tide.  The insurgency was the back up plan, and even most of it today has nothing to do with Saddam's plans for a guerrilla war

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-06-16 15:58:29)

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CameronPoe wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Bother what? Moving their assets so they can use them? I think it's a pretty good move for the country of Iran to move around nearly 100 Billion. I actually argee that is a good move. Would really suck to go and purchase something, only to find your accounts frozen by the world banking system...

And For Fucks Sake! Why, I will never know, do you always have to put Isreal is the bad guy in every thread? UN resolution 242 has nothing to fucking do with this topic... GTFO or stay on topic, geez man!
I think it's a great idea for them to move their assets - a no-brainer. I think you misread what I meant. As for the Israel reference: it's to highlight the ever-present hypocrisy in western dealings with the rest of the world.
Iran does not have the best intentions for any arab when they deal with israel.
CameronPoe
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

MAD works well in the Middle East.  Sadam was so full of fear he Invaded Kuwait after being warned and then shot Missles at Israel.  Yep, after the first war he new his country didn't stand a chance and he straightened up and listened to the world, didn't shoot at US jet, plot assinanations, build missiles that could reach Israel, or kick weapon inspectors out of his country.

Oh wait, I guess that was just AD.  I am sure MAD would be much better though.  Especially when the leader of Iran wants to be the one to get the glory for destroying Israel.

As too the how could they boss Europe around when it would just level the playing field, please to be so fucking stupid.
Yeah Saddam had loads of nukes didn't he. And everybody warned him about invading Kuwait too. They phoned him beforehand...

Let's not forget what US ambassador to Iraq said prior to the invasion of Kuwait:

"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late ’60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us?

My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil. But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship — not in the spirit of confrontation — regarding your intentions. I simply describe the position of my Government. And I do not mean that the situation is a simple situation. But our concern is a simple one."

What a threat. 'No opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts'. Typical horseshit.
God Save the Queen
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to be fair, he was coming from an older cold war era train of diplomatic thought.  everything that happens in the middle east now adays has a direct impact on the foreign interests of the west, and that indeed effects our way of life.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
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CameronPoe wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Bother what? Moving their assets so they can use them? I think it's a pretty good move for the country of Iran to move around nearly 100 Billion. I actually argee that is a good move. Would really suck to go and purchase something, only to find your accounts frozen by the world banking system...

And For Fucks Sake! Why, I will never know, do you always have to put Isreal is the bad guy in every thread? UN resolution 242 has nothing to fucking do with this topic... GTFO or stay on topic, geez man!
I think it's a great idea for them to move their assets - a no-brainer. I think you misread what I meant. As for the Israel reference: it's to highlight the ever-present hypocrisy in western dealings with the rest of the world.
yea no kidding its a no-brainer, what did you mean, if you weren't talking about the obvious?

NEWSFLASH: Just so the members of BF2s know, CameronPoe  wants to highlight his opinion that Israel is the definition of Hypocrisy. Everyone clear now? Good, we can move on with out further interruption.
Turquoise
O Canada
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He's pointing out that our relations with the Middle East are hypocritical...  but Israel is hypocritical as well.

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