fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6913|Menlo Park, CA

Miggle wrote:

Sheriff Joe is a god.
Couldnt agree more!

Total and complete LEGEND! He actually is trying to uphold the law!! What a fucking concept! A guy actually doing what the public voted him to do!

I wish Sheriff Joe could come to the Bay Area and clean fucking house!!
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
Wasn't that the prison with the riot?  And they had to bring in massive amounts of reinforcements to quell it?  And afterwards all the good prisoners who didn't participate got murdered?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire

fadedsteve wrote:

Miggle wrote:

Sheriff Joe is a god.
Couldnt agree more!

Total and complete LEGEND! He actually is trying to uphold the law!! What a fucking concept! A guy actually doing what the public voted him to do!

I wish Sheriff Joe could come to the Bay Area and clean fucking house!!
Different strokes for different folks I guess! My mate who interviewed him gave me the impression that he was one of the biggest cock knockers he'd ever met, a complete egomaniac who loves to court the media and raise his own profile. I don't really care too much about the guilty prisoners in his shanty town prison but if I remember correctly in the article there were allegations that people awaiting trial (i.e. not proven guilty yet) were also being held there and being subjected to the same third world conditions.
imortal
Member
+240|7087|Austin, TX

Braddock wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Miggle wrote:

Sheriff Joe is a god.
Couldnt agree more!

Total and complete LEGEND! He actually is trying to uphold the law!! What a fucking concept! A guy actually doing what the public voted him to do!

I wish Sheriff Joe could come to the Bay Area and clean fucking house!!
Different strokes for different folks I guess! My mate who interviewed him gave me the impression that he was one of the biggest cock knockers he'd ever met, a complete egomaniac who loves to court the media and raise his own profile. I don't really care too much about the guilty prisoners in his shanty town prison but if I remember correctly in the article there were allegations that people awaiting trial (i.e. not proven guilty yet) were also being held there and being subjected to the same third world conditions.
They are getting food, water, ad are being provided (granted limited) protection from the elements.  That, in and of itself, suggests that they are doing much better than most third world nations.

As a deterrant, I would think this ranks high on the list.  I would think that criminals would want to go out of their way to avoid his jurisdiction in order to avoid this fate.

Also, do not forget that he is in an elected position, and has been re-elected four times.  The people support him.  And for those who trot out the "only 30% hispanic" statistic, bear in mind that the supposed majority "white" population in the US is not some monolithic political body, but is stretched to the side of every issue; I doubt his election results were divided down racial lines.
imortal
Member
+240|7087|Austin, TX

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Wasn't that the prison with the riot?  And they had to bring in massive amounts of reinforcements to quell it?  And afterwards all the good prisoners who didn't participate got murdered?
THE riot?  I have not looked into the incident in which you speak, but even if there was A riot there, it would not be the first, or the most bloody.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … 37A5D1.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268167,00.html
http://www.strengthtech.com/correct/incident/lucas.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw9xsyQuoQU
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 … -dead.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23759106/
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ … me=topNews
...and that was just a cursory search.  And let us not forget Attica, where informers were torutred to death with the creative technique of using a blowtorch to the head.  They would use the blowtorch on an inmates skull, heating his head up until his brains would heat up and expand to the point that the skull would burst from the pressure increase.  I was told that this would have been excrutiatingly painful, and that the prisoners would actually be alive and aware of their pain for a long while before the end.

My first Criminal Justice professor was a distrubing individual.  We spent three weeks discussing torture, medevil and modern.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
Certainly, but by refusing to use modern innovations he put the prisoners, his guards, and the surrounding public at *much* greater danger
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire

imortal wrote:

Braddock wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:


Couldnt agree more!

Total and complete LEGEND! He actually is trying to uphold the law!! What a fucking concept! A guy actually doing what the public voted him to do!

I wish Sheriff Joe could come to the Bay Area and clean fucking house!!
Different strokes for different folks I guess! My mate who interviewed him gave me the impression that he was one of the biggest cock knockers he'd ever met, a complete egomaniac who loves to court the media and raise his own profile. I don't really care too much about the guilty prisoners in his shanty town prison but if I remember correctly in the article there were allegations that people awaiting trial (i.e. not proven guilty yet) were also being held there and being subjected to the same third world conditions.
They are getting food, water, ad are being provided (granted limited) protection from the elements.  That, in and of itself, suggests that they are doing much better than most third world nations.

As a deterrant, I would think this ranks high on the list.  I would think that criminals would want to go out of their way to avoid his jurisdiction in order to avoid this fate.

Also, do not forget that he is in an elected position, and has been re-elected four times.  The people support him.  And for those who trot out the "only 30% hispanic" statistic, bear in mind that the supposed majority "white" population in the US is not some monolithic political body, but is stretched to the side of every issue; I doubt his election results were divided down racial lines.
Okay then, second world conditions!

I'll reiterate that I care not a jot for the guilty inmates, it's the potentially innocent people being held there awaiting trial that I feel a little sorry for. You know the US and places like Saudi Arabia or Singapore are not on polar opposites of the debate on justice and ethics; it's clear to see that many Americans would gladly embrace a severe legal system with harsh punishments acting as deterrents in the same way that a Shariah Government does.
imortal
Member
+240|7087|Austin, TX

Braddock wrote:

imortal wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Different strokes for different folks I guess! My mate who interviewed him gave me the impression that he was one of the biggest cock knockers he'd ever met, a complete egomaniac who loves to court the media and raise his own profile. I don't really care too much about the guilty prisoners in his shanty town prison but if I remember correctly in the article there were allegations that people awaiting trial (i.e. not proven guilty yet) were also being held there and being subjected to the same third world conditions.
They are getting food, water, ad are being provided (granted limited) protection from the elements.  That, in and of itself, suggests that they are doing much better than most third world nations.

As a deterrant, I would think this ranks high on the list.  I would think that criminals would want to go out of their way to avoid his jurisdiction in order to avoid this fate.

Also, do not forget that he is in an elected position, and has been re-elected four times.  The people support him.  And for those who trot out the "only 30% hispanic" statistic, bear in mind that the supposed majority "white" population in the US is not some monolithic political body, but is stretched to the side of every issue; I doubt his election results were divided down racial lines.
Okay then, second world conditions!

I'll reiterate that I care not a jot for the guilty inmates, it's the potentially innocent people being held there awaiting trial that I feel a little sorry for. You know the US and places like Saudi Arabia or Singapore are not on polar opposites of the debate on justice and ethics; it's clear to see that many Americans would gladly embrace a severe legal system with harsh punishments acting as deterrents in the same way that a Shariah Government does.
I am all in favor of harsh punishments.  The area I disagree with Shariah law is what constitutes a crime. I believe in having very few criminal laws, but those laws should be enforced with a callous, brutal determination.

...or did you expect me to explode in rage at the very referrence to a Shariah government?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire

imortal wrote:

Braddock wrote:

imortal wrote:


They are getting food, water, ad are being provided (granted limited) protection from the elements.  That, in and of itself, suggests that they are doing much better than most third world nations.

As a deterrant, I would think this ranks high on the list.  I would think that criminals would want to go out of their way to avoid his jurisdiction in order to avoid this fate.

Also, do not forget that he is in an elected position, and has been re-elected four times.  The people support him.  And for those who trot out the "only 30% hispanic" statistic, bear in mind that the supposed majority "white" population in the US is not some monolithic political body, but is stretched to the side of every issue; I doubt his election results were divided down racial lines.
Okay then, second world conditions!

I'll reiterate that I care not a jot for the guilty inmates, it's the potentially innocent people being held there awaiting trial that I feel a little sorry for. You know the US and places like Saudi Arabia or Singapore are not on polar opposites of the debate on justice and ethics; it's clear to see that many Americans would gladly embrace a severe legal system with harsh punishments acting as deterrents in the same way that a Shariah Government does.
I am all in favor of harsh punishments.  The area I disagree with Shariah law is what constitutes a crime. I believe in having very few criminal laws, but those laws should be enforced with a callous, brutal determination.

...or did you expect me to explode in rage at the very referrence to a Shariah government?
Not at all, I was making a serious statement. I don't think US law is anywhere near as severe as Shariah law, just that it is on the same side of the coin when it comes to the debate on justice and ethics.

I know many would peg me as a liberal in here but my views on justice are quite conservative. I have little sympathy for people who are guilty, my only concern is when there is doubt or when people are subjected to horrible conditions when they might in fact be innocent.

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