BF2S Forums Lisik v Rammunition: Head to Head

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

One word, Hamas. There a tad worse and more extreme than the IRA was.

I like how Hamas is to blame for everything, Is it Hamas who is demolishing homes or Israel???
is it hamas who is capturing underage prisoners or Israel???
Is it Hamas or Israel who is building illegal settlements????
Is it hamas or israel who built its own "berlin wall"???
is it Hamas or israel who is illegally occupy and expanding its borders???
Is it hamas or Israel that has more or less broken all U.N resolutions???

Yay Hamas! The squeaky clean terrorist group!

There's only one side here that has a vow to destroy the other, and it ain't Israel.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!

Israel is the one wiping the Palestinians off their lands, Hamas may have said they want to remove Israel but who is the one doing it?

Last edited by rammunition (2008-06-19 05:23:09)

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

I like how Hamas is to blame for everything, Is it Hamas who is demolishing homes or Israel???
is it hamas who is capturing underage prisoners or Israel???
Is it Hamas or Israel who is building illegal settlements????
Is it hamas or israel who built its own "berlin wall"???
is it Hamas or israel who is illegally occupy and expanding its borders???
Is it hamas or Israel that has more or less broken all U.N resolutions???

Yay Hamas! The squeaky clean terrorist group!

There's only one side here that has a vow to destroy the other, and it ain't Israel.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!

Israel is the one wiping the Palestinians off their lands, Hamas may have said they want to remove Israel but who is the one doing it?

Who persistently launches homemade rockets from within their own civilian population effectively to bring in an airstrike on them?
Or hides behind civilians in their own population and uses children as soldiers and suicide bombers?
Or who deliberately targets civilians all the time?

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Yay Hamas! The squeaky clean terrorist group!

There's only one side here that has a vow to destroy the other, and it ain't Israel.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!

Israel is the one wiping the Palestinians off their lands, Hamas may have said they want to remove Israel but who is the one doing it?

Who persistently launches airstrikes from within their own civilian population effectively to bring in a rocket on them?
Or hides behind civilians in their own population and target children as potential soldiers and suicide bombers?
Or who deliberately targets civilians all the time?

fixed

*raise hand*

umm Israel?

Dilbert_X wrote:

There's only one side here that has a vow to destroy the other, and it ain't Israel.

Israel doesn't need to vow anything, it has already destroyed Palestine.

Yes this is true.  But instead of being defeated the attacks continue.

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!

Israel is the one wiping the Palestinians off their lands, Hamas may have said they want to remove Israel but who is the one doing it?

Who persistently launches airstrikes from within their own civilian population effectively to bring in a rocket on them?
Or hides behind civilians in their own population and target children as potential soldiers and suicide bombers?
Or who deliberately targets civilians all the time?

fixed

*raise hand*

umm Israel?

Yeah ok...

Lisik wrote:

rammunition wrote:

4. No, Israel is the one who has been demolishing Palestinian homes, stealing land, building illegal settlements etc., if you break something you are expected to fix it!

And what with Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? They are thousands you know...

I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.

Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.

Braddock wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Lisik wrote:

And what with Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? They are thousands you know...

I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.

Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.

I disagree completely. There are ethics that should be followed when it comes to freedom fighting. I supported the IRA and their cause but would never condone any tactic that incurred the death of innocent civilians. Freedom fighters should stick to military and security targets and possibly economic or infrastructural targets (provided no civilians are hurt).

i completely agree, i don't support all tactics hamas use i.e suicide bombings etc but when you have been under oppressions for over 60 decades you do start getting desperate

rammunition wrote:

Lisik wrote:

rammunition wrote:

4. No, Israel is the one who has been demolishing Palestinian homes, stealing land, building illegal settlements etc., if you break something you are expected to fix it!

And what with Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? They are thousands you know...

I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.

Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.

HA. You want it this way? Lats have it this way.

IDF was founded AFTER Arabs aggression towards the Jews.

So now you deside, or no one pay no one nothing, or both sides pay to each other... one way it simply not going to happens.

Lisik wrote:

IDF was founded AFTER Arabs aggression towards the Jews.

Jewish terror groups murdered Palestinian civilians en masse.  Some of the leaders of those groups later became Israeli Prime Ministers.


Who's the aggressor?

icecold2510 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

rammunition wrote:

I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.

Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.

I disagree completely. There are ethics that should be followed when it comes to freedom fighting. I supported the IRA and their cause but would never condone any tactic that incurred the death of innocent civilians. Freedom fighters should stick to military and security targets and possibly economic or infrastructural targets (provided no civilians are hurt).

Freedom fighters lol Then what are them Chechnya fighters in Iraq doing?

Chechnya has freedom fighters in Iraq? WTF?

You mean Russia?

Btw, good arguments so far.

Lisik wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Lisik wrote:

IDF was founded AFTER Arabs aggression towards the Jews.

Jewish terror groups murdered Palestinian civilians en masse.  Some of the leaders of those groups later became Israeli Prime Ministers.


Who's the aggressor?

Arabs.

Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.

Flecco wrote:

icecold2510 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I disagree completely. There are ethics that should be followed when it comes to freedom fighting. I supported the IRA and their cause but would never condone any tactic that incurred the death of innocent civilians. Freedom fighters should stick to military and security targets and possibly economic or infrastructural targets (provided no civilians are hurt).

Freedom fighters lol Then what are them Chechnya fighters in Iraq doing?

Chechnya has freedom fighters in Iraq? WTF?

You mean Russia?

Btw, good arguments so far.

They have caught Chechen fighters in Iraq.  Slinga caught some  in Fallujah.

icecold2510 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

rammunition wrote:

I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.

Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.

I disagree completely. There are ethics that should be followed when it comes to freedom fighting. I supported the IRA and their cause but would never condone any tactic that incurred the death of innocent civilians. Freedom fighters should stick to military and security targets and possibly economic or infrastructural targets (provided no civilians are hurt).

Freedom fighters lol Then what are them Chechnya fighters in Iraq doing?

What is your point here, I don't get the relevance of your question? What have Chechnyan militants in Iraq got to do with the IRA or the Palestinian struggle?

Although you are incredibly vague in your mysterious line of questioning I do get the impression you like to bundle all militant political groups in together as though they all share the same idealistic and political agenda or are members of the same 'freedom fighters union' or something.