we can go even further back if you want, back to the stern gang and other Jewish militia terrorists, before the so called "arab aggression"Lisik wrote:
HA. You want it this way? Lats have it this way.rammunition wrote:
I've said this before and will say it again, when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting.Lisik wrote:
And what with Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? They are thousands you know...
Hamas was founded AFTER Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians.
IDF was founded AFTER Arabs aggression towards the Jews.
So now you deside, or no one pay no one nothing, or both sides pay to each other... one way it simply not going to happens.
why does america provide 6 BILLION DOLLARS in "aid" to Israel to demolish Palestinian homes, steal more land, build more illegal settlements, kill kids etc????san4 wrote:
Why does Iran provide weapons, money and training to an organization that uses suicide bombings? Is Iran desperate too?rammunition wrote:
i completely agree, i don't support all tactics hamas use i.e suicide bombings etc but when you have been under oppressions for over 60 decades you do start getting desperateBraddock wrote:
I disagree completely. There are ethics that should be followed when it comes to freedom fighting. I supported the IRA and their cause but would never condone any tactic that incurred the death of innocent civilians. Freedom fighters should stick to military and security targets and possibly economic or infrastructural targets (provided no civilians are hurt).
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.mikkel wrote:
Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.Lisik wrote:
Arabs.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Jewish terror groups murdered Palestinian civilians en masse. Some of the leaders of those groups later became Israeli Prime Ministers.
Who's the aggressor?
If this not enough you can always go and watch some Discovery Chanel or National Geographic. If this still is not enough and you think these sources controlled by Mossad, you can simple paint a picture of Mohamed and travel with it to Middle East. You will discover who is aggressive very fast. :)
This one i just answered. But you know what, i going to be large with you....rammunition wrote:
we can go even further back if you want, back to the stern gang and other Jewish militia terrorists, before the so called "arab aggression"
- Israel pay compensations to Palestinians.
Freedom fighting sorta requires having a freedom that's being taken away from you, and as far as I can see, the Jewish people were the oppressors. They had no lost freedom in the region to fight for, so they could hardly be freedom fighters.Lisik wrote:
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.mikkel wrote:
Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.Lisik wrote:
Arabs.
I see it as them finally getting a plot of their land back after being persecuted by just about everyone in history, and now they're not gonna take that kind of shit from anyone anymore.mikkel wrote:
Freedom fighting sorta requires having a freedom that's being taken away from you, and as far as I can see, the Jewish people were the oppressors. They had no lost freedom in the region to fight for, so they could hardly be freedom fighters.Lisik wrote:
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.mikkel wrote:
Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.
I wish to your nation to be such a free as jews was for the last 2000 years.mikkel wrote:
Freedom fighting sorta requires having a freedom that's being taken away from you, and as far as I can see, the Jewish people were the oppressors. They had no lost freedom in the region to fight for, so they could hardly be freedom fighters.Lisik wrote:
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.mikkel wrote:
Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.
edit: /sarcasm ffs
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If this is head to head, then why all the other responses?
It's more or less the same as being fine with native americans reclaiming their lands through terrorist actions against the US. Historical claims are just that - historical. Claiming something after two thousand years is just ridiculous. Nothing in today's world looks like it did then, and everyone could make these sorts of claims.M.O.A.B wrote:
I see it as them finally getting a plot of their land back after being persecuted by just about everyone in history, and now they're not gonna take that kind of shit from anyone anymore.mikkel wrote:
Freedom fighting sorta requires having a freedom that's being taken away from you, and as far as I can see, the Jewish people were the oppressors. They had no lost freedom in the region to fight for, so they could hardly be freedom fighters.Lisik wrote:
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.mikkel wrote:
Heh, well that's a bad case of denial if I ever saw it.
Terror isn't fine. Not Palestinian terror, not Israeli terror, not Muslim terror, not Jewish terror.
Religion is a ridiculously arbitrary thing to base geographical claims on. If the Garden of Eden was found, would you find it acceptable that the male gender laid claim to it?Lisik wrote:
I wish to your nation to be such a free as jews was for the last 2000 years.mikkel wrote:
Freedom fighting sorta requires having a freedom that's being taken away from you, and as far as I can see, the Jewish people were the oppressors. They had no lost freedom in the region to fight for, so they could hardly be freedom fighters.Lisik wrote:
Actually there is nothing to deny here. Yes, there was Jewish underground groups killing Palestinians, but like rammunition said before - when you are under oppression there is no such thing as "terrorism", its called freedom fighting. So i don't see any problem with my short answer.
edit: /sarcasm ffs
Judaism is not a nation. It's a religion. Your wishes are out of touch with the situation you're defending.
Good point. Israel would like us to believe they are the good guys in the Middle East against the evil Mooslims who are using religion as a foundation for their warped vision, which they are trying to force on others. The actual truth is that Israel are doing the same thing i.e using religion as a foundation to establish a country that gives preference to those of the Jewish faith while all those who are unfortunate enough to be living there and are not Jewish can put up or shut up. They then use violence and militarism to oppress those that dare challenge them.mikkel wrote:
Judaism is not a nation. It's a religion. Your wishes are out of touch with the situation you're defending.
Maybe the jews should stop pissing people off and they would be left alone.I wish to your nation to be such a free as jews was for the last 2000 years.
Do you think its a coincidence every race they have come into contact with has 'persecuted' them?
Its interesting they whine about persecution, genocide etc but don't raise a finger to stop it happening elsewhere.
You'd think the Israelis would be at the front of the UN preventing these things happening elsewhere to other people, Darfur, Rwanda, Bosnia etc. but we don't hear a squeak.
You'd think if anyone would be ready it would be the Israelis sending troops to support UN operations, given it was the UN which gave them their country.
Has a single Israeli ever done anything on behalf of the UN? Or anything for that matter which doesn't directly benefit Israel?
Its interesting the only subjects you're interested in on this discussion forum are Israel and the Middle East, you don't seem to contribute to anything else.
Fuck Israel
Erm, ok. So the Jews were asking to be gassed in the 40's because they pissed some people off?Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe the jews should stop pissing people off and they would be left alone.I wish to your nation to be such a free as jews was for the last 2000 years.
Do you think its a coincidence every race they have come into contact with has 'persecuted' them?
Jews by and large are generally more prosperous than other groups, that's probably a good reason why they are persecuted by other less-fortunate groups. Tell me what they did to 'piss off' Hitler then? Or do you think he would have jsut left them alone?
That sounds like a lot of people and countries.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its interesting they whine about persecution, genocide etc but don't raise a finger to stop it happening elsewhere.
No of course not, they just have a knack of pissing people off.Erm, ok. So the Jews were asking to be gassed in the 40's because they pissed some people off?
For whatever reason they tend to be persecuted, IMO because they are completely self-interested and have the idea they are the 'chosen people' while the rest of us are here to serve them.
Correct, but you'd think the Israelis, having actually experienced it would want to prevent other people suffering it.That sounds like a lot of people and countries.
In fact on the contrary they are busy perpetrating the same thing against the Palestinians.
Fuck Israel
We could say the Pals have a knack for pissing off the Israelis by launching rockets day and night and I've never really met anyone who wasn't 'self-interested'.Dilbert_X wrote:
No of course not, they just have a knack of pissing people off.Erm, ok. So the Jews were asking to be gassed in the 40's because they pissed some people off?
For whatever reason they tend to be persecuted, IMO because they are completely self-interested and have the idea they are the 'chosen people' while the rest of us are here to serve them.
Ever since Israel was created they've been pestered by the surrounding Arabs and for some reason they can't let it lie. The Israeli's, the Jews, are tired of being pushed around by different groups of people and so now they won't allow anyone to do so. Firing rockets into their territory is just another attempt at that and frankly, they won't stand for that any more.Dilbert_X wrote:
Correct, but you'd think the Israelis, having actually experienced it would want to prevent other people suffering it.That sounds like a lot of people and countries.
In fact on the contrary they are busy perpetrating the same thing against the Palestinians.
Maybe, but care to explain how Jews piss peoples off? Ah, wait, i know... to stop piss peoples of Jews have to be poor, homeless, stupid and shut up in the way to gas chambers, right?Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe the jews should stop pissing people off and they would be left alone.I wish to your nation to be such a free as jews was for the last 2000 years.
So what? Why you have problem with it?Its interesting the only subjects you're interested in on this discussion forum are Israel and the Middle East, you don't seem to contribute to anything else.
Yep you have to wonder why they were kicked out of almost every country in the world in the last 2000 years or more.
They have a tendency to screw up with the host country economy when they are in position of power.. That is what happenned with Germany after WW1 and that is what is happening right now in the US. Is it only their fault? Of course not but you have to wonder why wall street is doing so well while the regular guy is hurting.
They are approx 2% of the US population but tell me why every chairman of the federal reserve must be jewish? Is it because they are intellectually superior like M.O.A.B seems to think? Or is it because they prefer to put their own "people" in position of power?
If the second answer is the right one, then stop asking yourself why they were kicked out of every country of the planet in the last 2000 years.
They have a tendency to screw up with the host country economy when they are in position of power.. That is what happenned with Germany after WW1 and that is what is happening right now in the US. Is it only their fault? Of course not but you have to wonder why wall street is doing so well while the regular guy is hurting.
They are approx 2% of the US population but tell me why every chairman of the federal reserve must be jewish? Is it because they are intellectually superior like M.O.A.B seems to think? Or is it because they prefer to put their own "people" in position of power?
If the second answer is the right one, then stop asking yourself why they were kicked out of every country of the planet in the last 2000 years.
Good old songs... "Jews are the problem" and "No Jews no Wars"
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No No. that is not what i meant.. Im just wondering why your people were persecuted and kicked out of almost every country during your history. It is the main reason why you have Israel today.Lisik wrote:
Good old song... "Jews are the problem"
Is it because all those people were jealous of your wealth?
well said, but the jewish population in america is now 4%, they are taking over!AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Yep you have to wonder why they were kicked out of almost every country in the world in the last 2000 years or more.
They have a tendency to screw up with the host country economy when they are in position of power.. That is what happenned with Germany after WW1 and that is what is happening right now in the US. Is it only their fault? Of course not but you have to wonder why wall street is doing so well while the regular guy is hurting.
They are approx 2% of the US population but tell me why every chairman of the federal reserve must be jewish? Is it because they are intellectually superior like M.O.A.B seems to think? Or is it because they prefer to put their own "people" in position of power?
If the second answer is the right one, then stop asking yourself why they were kicked out of every country of the planet in the last 2000 years.
this post isnt a surprise at all coming from you.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Yep you have to wonder why they were kicked out of almost every country in the world in the last 2000 years or more.
They have a tendency to screw up with the host country economy when they are in position of power.. That is what happenned with Germany after WW1 and that is what is happening right now in the US. Is it only their fault? Of course not but you have to wonder why wall street is doing so well while the regular guy is hurting.
They are approx 2% of the US population but tell me why every chairman of the federal reserve must be jewish? Is it because they are intellectually superior like M.O.A.B seems to think? Or is it because they prefer to put their own "people" in position of power?
If the second answer is the right one, then stop asking yourself why they were kicked out of every country of the planet in the last 2000 years.
I have no idea why.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
No No. that is not what i meant.. Im just wondering why your people were persecuted and kicked out of almost every country during your history. It is the main reason why you have Israel today.Lisik wrote:
Good old song... "Jews are the problem"
Is it because all those people were jealous of your wealth?
lisik, he's the guy whose name used to be "Auschwitz 88"Lisik wrote:
I have no idea why.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
No No. that is not what i meant.. Im just wondering why your people were persecuted and kicked out of almost every country during your history. It is the main reason why you have Israel today.Lisik wrote:
Good old song... "Jews are the problem"
Is it because all those people were jealous of your wealth?
I know.
Why has this descended into a discussion about Judaism? Separate out the unhelpful nametags and badges from the territorial and political situation being discussed here please.
Nothing anti-semitic in my post, i'm just asking a question.. Israel exist today because the jews were persecuted.. Is it fair to wonder why they were persecuted?God Save the Queen wrote:
this post isnt a surprise at all coming from you.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Yep you have to wonder why they were kicked out of almost every country in the world in the last 2000 years or more.
They have a tendency to screw up with the host country economy when they are in position of power.. That is what happenned with Germany after WW1 and that is what is happening right now in the US. Is it only their fault? Of course not but you have to wonder why wall street is doing so well while the regular guy is hurting.
They are approx 2% of the US population but tell me why every chairman of the federal reserve must be jewish? Is it because they are intellectually superior like M.O.A.B seems to think? Or is it because they prefer to put their own "people" in position of power?
If the second answer is the right one, then stop asking yourself why they were kicked out of every country of the planet in the last 2000 years.
Here a list of country from where they were kicked out:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ … cution.htm
btw its a jewish web site.. safe for work