Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7144|Eastern PA
http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_worl … 13022.html
To defend itself against a lawsuit by the widows of three American soldiers who died on one of its planes in Afghanistan, a sister company of the private military firm Blackwater has asked a federal court to decide the case using Islamic law, known as Shari'a.
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Erik Prince, who owns Blackwater and Presidential Airways, briefly discussed the lawsuit in a meeting Wednesday with editors and reporters at The News & Observer. Prince was asked to justify having a case involving an American company working for the U.S. government decided by Afghan law.

"Where did the crash occur?" Prince said. "Afghanistan."
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Presidential Airways argued that the lawsuit must be dismissed; legal doctrine holds that soldiers cannot sue the government, and the company was acting as an agent of the government.

Last year, a series of federal judges dismissed that argument.
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The National Transportation Safety Board has blamed the crash on Presidential for its "failure to require its flight crews to file and fly a defined route" and for not providing oversight to make sure its crews followed company policies and Pentagon and federal aviation safety regulations.
Blackwater owner Erik Prince:
Prince serves as vice president of the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation. Salon reports that "between July 2003 and July 2006, the foundation gave at least $670,000 to the Family Research Council and $531,000 to Focus on the Family"[15] headed by James Dobson. The foundation is also a major donor to Calvin College[16], a Christian institution in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Prince also serves as a board member of Christian Freedom International, a non-profit group with a mission of helping "Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ."

Since 1998, Prince has personally donated over $200,000 to Republican causes.[17][18][19]Prince is a donor, along with beverage company Bolthouse Farms through the Bolthouse foundation, to the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian legal group.
Can we fucking get rid of these assholes once and for all? This company is out of control. They want to operate without any oversight and routinely make the lives of actual military personnel more difficult. If they're going to try to operate more like the military then they should be subject to the same penalties and oversight as a DoD civilian/military personnel.

Ideally though I'd like to see the trend of privatizing more and more military functions stopped and reversed. This should be accompanied by increased training and pay to enable military personnel to do jobs that supposedly require the use of civilian contractors. I say supposedly because there are numerous jobs that contractors currently do that the military has done better in the past. There's no reason why it shouldn't be that way again.

More specific to Blackwater and Erik Prince; I find it laughable that he's so pro-Christian and is urging Sharia law to be applied to get out of being sued when his company has repeatedly fucked up and put coalition troops in harms way time and time again. I really hate all these bullshit con artists and their fake patriotism when the real motivation is not "God and country", but a fat piece of the government cheese.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio
Why are they suing anyway?
paul386
Member
+22|6667
Some people don't know why they sue. They just see the $$.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7144|Eastern PA
The National Transportation Safety Board has blamed the crash on Presidential for its "failure to require its flight crews to file and fly a defined route" and for not providing oversight to make sure its crews followed company policies and Pentagon and federal aviation safety regulations.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

Masques wrote:

The National Transportation Safety Board has blamed the crash on Presidential for its "failure to require its flight crews to file and fly a defined route" and for not providing oversight to make sure its crews followed company policies and Pentagon and federal aviation safety regulations.
lol...seems like 80% of all US flights and about 99% of warzone flights.  All that is missing is Al Sharpton.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina
Privatized war...  ain't it lovely?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7096|Canberra, AUS
To defend itself against a lawsuit by the widows of three American soldiers who died on one of its planes in Afghanistan, a sister company of the private military firm Blackwater has asked a federal court to decide the case using Islamic law, known as Shari'a.
Whaaaat the fuck.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire
So these Blackwater cunts want to pick and choose what set of rules to play by whenever it suits them? They open fire in a crowded square in Iraq and claim they are above Iraqi law and subject only to US led investigations...they crash a plane in Afghanistan due to poor procedural practice and claim they should be judged under Shariah law...these fuckers are a law unto themselves. We've all heard the ridiculous Michael Clayton style conspiracy theories about big business being above the law but the Blackwater company and its offshoots are actually akin to something from Hitler's Germany; this kind of thing really needs to be stopped.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7043|London, England
Nip the PMC's whilst they're still in the bud. Yes, yes I have been playing too much MGS4.

usmarine2 wrote:

Masques wrote:

The National Transportation Safety Board has blamed the crash on Presidential for its "failure to require its flight crews to file and fly a defined route" and for not providing oversight to make sure its crews followed company policies and Pentagon and federal aviation safety regulations.
lol...seems like 80% of all US flights and about 99% of warzone flights.  All that is missing is Al Sharpton.
Weird, I was listening to a Lil Wayne track, and he said "Fuck Al Sharpton, and anyone like him" just about the same time as I read your post.



Around 9.19 in
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
Oh noes! It's the Islamofascist Communaz................wait, aren't these guys supposed to be fighting those guys?

usmarine2 wrote:

Masques wrote:

The National Transportation Safety Board has blamed the crash on Presidential for its "failure to require its flight crews to file and fly a defined route" and for not providing oversight to make sure its crews followed company policies and Pentagon and federal aviation safety regulations.
lol...seems like 80% of all US flights and about 99% of warzone flights.  All that is missing is Al Sharpton.
Ah, so because everyone does it, it's okay.  How, exactly, did racism end?
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Ah, so because everyone does it, it's okay.
I assume you have never been to a warzone?  And I will also assume these wives have never been to one or flown into one.  Pure BS on their part.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6645|Escea

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Nip the PMC's whilst they're still in the bud. Yes, yes I have been playing too much MGS4.
lol that crossed my mind
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Ah, so because everyone does it, it's okay.
I assume you have never been to a warzone?  And I will also assume these wives have never been to one or flown into one.  Pure BS on their part.
They aren't the ones who found the company at fault.


Regardless, ensuring your employees follow procedure is a pretty standard occ health and safety requirement.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

ZombieVampire! wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Ah, so because everyone does it, it's okay.
I assume you have never been to a warzone?  And I will also assume these wives have never been to one or flown into one.  Pure BS on their part.
They aren't the ones who found the company at fault.


Regardless, ensuring your employees follow procedure is a pretty standard occ health and safety requirement.
NTSB cannot conduct a thorough investigation in Afghanistan.  And since when do you guys believe what the government says?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire
Where's lowing when you need him? What would he have to say about an American company seeking to be tried under the archaic Shariah legal system.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7093|UK
It just goes to prove Shariah is the way forward.  Next mosques on every street corner, can't wait.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:


I assume you have never been to a warzone?  And I will also assume these wives have never been to one or flown into one.  Pure BS on their part.
They aren't the ones who found the company at fault.


Regardless, ensuring your employees follow procedure is a pretty standard occ health and safety requirement.
NTSB cannot conduct a thorough investigation in Afghanistan.  And since when do you guys believe what the government says?
I'm not declaring anyone to be at fault, you are.  I'm just pointing out that there's evidence that company is.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

ZombieVampire! wrote:

I'm just pointing out that there's evidence that company is.
Well to sue a company for doing what the air force does everyday is pretty gay.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

I'm just pointing out that there's evidence that company is.
Well to sue a company for doing what the air force does everyday is pretty gay.
Why are you so content to see private companies dodge and weave their way out of the same rules and restrictions that you or I would have to follow? It's not even an issue of patriotism, these guys do this for money not for flag and country and all that other stuff.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-06-21 07:27:34)

usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

Braddock wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

I'm just pointing out that there's evidence that company is.
Well to sue a company for doing what the air force does everyday is pretty gay.
Why are you so content to see private companies dodge and weave their way out of the same rules and restrictions that you or I would have to follow? It's not even an issue of patriotism, these guys do this for money not for flag and country and all that other stuff.
They do it for money?  Well we ALL do stuff for money.  I don't care what they do, but to sue them for doing what the AF does everyday is lame is all I am saying.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

usmarine2 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

I'm just pointing out that there's evidence that company is.
Well to sue a company for doing what the air force does everyday is pretty gay.
The air force has a different level of responsibility.


Having said that, if an air force crew didn't follow procedure i suspect there'd be hell to pay.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6712|Éire

usmarine2 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:


Well to sue a company for doing what the air force does everyday is pretty gay.
Why are you so content to see private companies dodge and weave their way out of the same rules and restrictions that you or I would have to follow? It's not even an issue of patriotism, these guys do this for money not for flag and country and all that other stuff.
They do it for money?  Well we ALL do stuff for money.  I don't care what they do, but to sue them for doing what the AF does everyday is lame is all I am saying.
And what do you think of the company itself trying to be tried under Shariah law?
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio

Braddock wrote:

And what do you think of the company itself trying to be tried under Shariah law?
A company doing what it can to avoid being unfairly sued by ambulance chasers.  Kind of like big companies having offices in Dubai so they can skirt around those pesky laws.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7043|London, England
Suing is stupid imo, but to ask for Sharia law is even stupider. These Blackwater guys are a joke.

Presidential Airways argued that the lawsuit must be dismissed; legal doctrine holds that soldiers cannot sue the government, and the company was acting as an agent of the government.
See, there you have it. You can't sue in situations such as these.

But why, why the fuck are these Blackwater twats asking for Sharia law?
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

usmarine2 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

And what do you think of the company itself trying to be tried under Shariah law?
A company doing what it can to avoid being unfairly sued by ambulance chasers.  Kind of like big companies having offices in Dubai so they can skirt around those pesky laws.
Yeah, those pesky laws.  No company should be expected to obey them

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