Shouldn't teh UN do something with Zimbabwe?

2008-06-26 16:19:59

#26

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6832|'Murka

sergeriver wrote:
Then the UN is not helping to achieve their goals or the goals it was meant to achieve when it was founded after WW2, and it's a useless organization.

Did it really take this for you to figure that out, serge?

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2008-06-26 16:59:00

#27

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sergeriver wrote:
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Shouldn't teh UN do something with Zimbabwe?
omg halp me teh UN's!!!1

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Seriously though, the UN can't do anything like this. It never has been able to do anything like this and never will.

You know, just like in that film Hotel Rwanda. They're Peacekeepers not Peacemakers. The faggots.
Then the UN is not helping to achieve their goals or the goals it was meant to achieve when it was founded after WW2, and it's a useless organization.

Welcome to the dark side, sergeriver. You may not be beyond hope after all.

2008-06-26 17:11:15

#28

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

FEOS wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Then the UN is not helping to achieve their goals or the goals it was meant to achieve when it was founded after WW2, and it's a useless organization.
Did it really take this for you to figure that out, serge?

Not really, but sometimes you want to believe things are done the right way even if you know they aren't. Call me naive, but I still think an improved organization could deal with this kind of things.

2008-06-26 17:14:00

#29

usmarine2: Banned; +233|6212|Dublin, Ohio

no

2008-06-26 17:14:20

#30

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6922|so randum

usmarine2 wrote:
no

why not?

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2008-06-26 17:16:39

#31

usmarine2: Banned; +233|6212|Dublin, Ohio

FatherTed wrote:
usmarine2 wrote:
no
why not?

Ted, I have said it so many times on here........

North and central Africa is a lost civilization that should be left alone. Unless you agree with a full scale invasion with a huge coalition, then whatever else you propose is ultimately meaningless.

2008-06-26 17:19:10

#32

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6922|so randum

usmarine2 wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
usmarine2 wrote:
no
why not?
Ted, I have said it so many times on here........

North and central Africa is a lost civilization that should be left alone. Unless you agree with a full scale invasion with a huge coalition, then whatever else you propose is ultimately meaningless.

I semi-agree, Africa should be left alone to sort out it's problems, much like what happened in Europe.

But what's going on in Zimbabwe is one of the main reasons the U.N was founded, no?

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2008-06-27 03:49:12

#33

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
You know, just like in that film Hotel Rwanda. They're Peacekeepers not Peacemakers. The faggots.

Yes, how dare they attempt to maintain some degree of impartiality to give themselves some legitimacy.

Kmarion wrote:
Wasn't it a UN coalition the liberated Kuwait? Albeit a US led coalition.

Iraq crossed national borders when it invaded Kuwait: therefore it became an issue the UN could legitimately intervene in. It's also worth bearing in mind that a) UN forces are always led by a nation with assistance from others because the UN doesn't have a standing army and b) the US had to be dragged into the conflict.

sergeriver wrote:
[Then the UN is not helping to achieve their goals or the goals it was meant to achieve when it was founded after WW2, and it's a useless organization.

Actually, the UN's goal when it was founded was basically to promote international peace and stability. Intervening in internal issues was added later because they were doing so well, and it never should have been. There's not legitimacy. It's essentially a global version of mob rule.

FatherTed wrote:
But what's going on in Zimbabwe is one of the main reasons the U.N was founded, no?

No, it isn't, see above.

2008-06-27 03:52:20

#34

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ZombieVampire! wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Wasn't it a UN coalition the liberated Kuwait? Albeit a US led coalition.
Iraq crossed national borders when it invaded Kuwait: therefore it became an issue the UN could legitimately intervene in. It's also worth bearing in mind that a) UN forces are always led by a nation with assistance from others because the UN doesn't have a standing army and b) the US had to be dragged into the conflict.

"Dragged"? Read.

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2008-06-27 04:27:25

#35

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

Wow, a paragraph on Wikipedia which cites only the US DoD website. That's certainly more reliable than my IP textbooks with a number of sources.

2008-06-27 04:39:51

#36

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6832|'Murka

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Wow, a paragraph on Wikipedia which cites only the US DoD website. That's certainly more reliable than my IP textbooks with a number of sources.

Do your textbooks talk about the squadron of F-15s that deployed to Saudi less than 24 hours after the invasion?

How about the 82d Airborne Div sitting in the desert as the only defensive force while the coalition was building?

Or maybe the US-led planning and execution of the air and ground wars?

Do they mention any of that? If so, how does that track with "dragged"?

Maybe you should read the entire wiki page. There's lots more "facty" stuff on it.

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2008-06-27 05:09:14

#37

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

All sourced from DoD.

And maybe you should read it better: the F-15s were initially to defend Saudi Arabia, a US ally. Personally, I don't have time to read stuff that could have been written by a 5 year old with tourettes (or, worse, Bush Jr).

2008-06-27 05:49:02

#38

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Actually, the UN's goal when it was founded was basically to promote international peace and stability. Intervening in internal issues was added later because they were doing so well, and it never should have been. There's not legitimacy. It's essentially a global version of mob rule.

No legitimacy? How do you solve this kind of power abuse then? Do you just let it happen and look the other way? If not the UN, then what organization should deal with such cases?

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2008-06-27 06:44:00

#39

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

Uh.......noone?

Refuse to trade, fine. Refuse to recognise the government, sure. But that's the decision for a nation to make. A foreign nation has no place interfering in domestic politics.

2008-06-27 06:45:33

#40

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Uh.......noone?

Refuse to trade, fine. Refuse to recognise the government, sure. But that's the decision for a nation to make. A foreign nation has no place interfering in domestic politics.

No foreign nations...the UN or other sort of organization. You can't let this kind of asshats do whatever they want to their people.

2008-06-27 06:46:36

#41

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Why not?

2008-06-27 06:47:53

#42

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Why not?

I dunno...maybe coz there's a thing called Human Rights?

2008-06-27 06:49:22

#43

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

Certainly, but what right do you have to force you belief of basic human rights upon a nation?

Do you intend to invade the US to stop them trying children as adults?

2008-06-27 06:49:22

#44

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6951|Global Command

If the U.N. does it's usual nothing and the U.S. did it's usual shouldering of the heavy burden many here would be crying about imperialism.

2008-06-27 06:50:23

#45

ZombieVampire!: The Gecko; +69|6249

Please, the US only invades a nation when it's strategically useful.

2008-06-27 06:53:08

#46

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Certainly, but what right do you have to force you belief of basic human rights upon a nation?

Do you intend to invade the US to stop them trying children as adults?

Bubs, it's not the same. Pls, you know what's going on in Zimbabwe.

2008-06-27 06:54:30

#47

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7179|Argentina

ATG wrote:
If the U.N. does it's usual nothing and the U.S. did it's usual shouldering of the heavy burden many here would be crying about imperialism.

It's not the duty of the US to be the police of the World. The UN is worthless and it should be replaced/refounded, etc. But someone should do something.

2008-06-27 07:00:38

#48

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ZombieVampire! wrote:
Please, the US only invades a nation when it's strategically useful.

at the risk of sounding like marine. QFT.

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2008-06-27 16:46:51

#49

usmarine2: Banned; +233|6212|Dublin, Ohio

ZombieVampire! wrote:
Please, the US only invades a nation when it's strategically useful.

name one nation that hasn't?

2008-06-27 17:51:39

#50

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6832|'Murka

ZombieVampire! wrote:
All sourced from DoD.

And maybe you should read it better: the F-15s were initially to defend Saudi Arabia, a US ally. Personally, I don't have time to read stuff that could have been written by a 5 year old with tourettes (or, worse, Bush Jr).

It's obvious you didn't even try to read the page. There's USA Today, PR Watch, BBC, CNN, Globalsecurity, and many others sourced for that article.

If that's really what your history books teach...what the hell do they put in your history books?!

Please tell us what your history books say about the US having to be "dragged" into the Gulf War. Would love to hear that.

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