Eye-GiZzLe wrote:
doubtful. those gtr's are going to be marked up so fucking high because everyone wants one. probably closer to 15-20k
and when you have to service that jap shit, you're fucked
The ZR1 will also be ridiculously marked up. When the Z06 came out, you couldn't find one that didn't have a 20k markup on the MSRP.
TC.Troy wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
TC.Troy wrote:
First, anyone that thinks GM is gonna lay down and let Nissan run over them in this car category is nuts. Period.
The ZR-1 is a mean peice of equipment. Period.
For the money, you cannot beat it imo. All things considered.
And I'm not really that much of a vette fan tbh.
No offence, but clearly you can beat it.
GTR is going be cheaper.
If you wanna use lap times, the GTR V spec will most likely beat the ZR1 around the track
i repeat again, the GTR & V are going to be cheaperIf you want to use real world things - GTR will have a higher MPG, it will have lower emissions, it will be more reliable.
Obv, in the USA servicing one will be costly, but i think the reliability will outweigh that.
Yeah no offense taken hehe
But umm...dont tell me things such as "going to be" and "will have" and "I think" when refferencing a glorified prototype that isnt even on sale.
Point is, the vette (here in the US) will be a better car, it will hold its value and perhaps increase, the Nissan won't. Take it from an import car owner living in the US (its a Honda) it is damned stupid expensive to even get a non-dealer shop to do anything to'em.
With that said. The ZR-1 wont be terrible cheap to service either, given its engine configuration. So thats a no issue between the 2.
Reliablilty?
Yeah, Nissan are...very. Tweak out an engine as hard as that GTR, or the V-spec either one, and it will thrash itself to death far, far faster than the slower spinning (and HUGE torgue producing) V8.
As far as fuel mileage is concerened, I'd be willing to bet, that given a PRODUCTION model of each car, you'll find the mpg figures arent all that different when driven with a sane foot (either car).
If the V-spec can come up with 3 second to re-take the vettes time, I'll be shocked. But if it ever does, fear not, another ZR-1 will roll out and eat it up...just needs another tweak. Thats all Nissan did to the GTR, to produce the V-spec.
Corvette...hands down.
Servicing will be expensive? Not really. Nissan has a heavy investment in the US manufacturing. Plus, any servicing done in the beginning will all fall under warranty (unless you really screw up). I don't think there will honestly be any difference in servicing, though. The Vette might snake in a bit cheaper in some ways than the GTR on some parts, but like the performance, they will be about even.
If you couldn't find a normal mechanic that couldn't fix a Honda, you must live in the middle of no where. Hondas are the easiest fucking cars in the world to service unless you start taking apart the block. Then like any car, it becomes a bitch. Plain and simple. But there is a reason Hondas became the most popular to tune - cheap and easy to do anything.
But Troy, you really don't have a fucking clue about the GTR or its performance, much less history, do you? The Nissan GT cars that are raced with are 3.2L V6 twin turbo engines and they produce quite a bit more than the GTR. This engine isn't very high spun out from the factory. This isn't a 1980s Ferrari.
Do you recall an engine named the RB26DETT? Those engines would produce up to 550-600 WHP with tuning, and after that, all that needed changing was the oil pump. Provided that you also kept up with increasing injector sizes and built it all properly. But those engines could take a beating. Same with the VQ. The VQ35DE in the 350Z wasn't all that hot, but it only needed a few small adjustments. Problem with those engines was the bottom end. Nissan fixed that with the new batches of VQ motors going into their cars.
And in regards to the MPG: The GTR will be able to get better MPG hands down. Lesser displacement, and provided you stay out of boost (fairly easy on a turbo car if you have self control), you can easily get great mileage. My friend had a 300hp R32 GTR and he was able to get 25mpg consistently - when he stayed out of boost.
TC.Troy wrote:
"Only" 3 seconds...
????
Have you any clue what 3 seconds looks like a race track of any kind? Its like being in another friggin time zone for crying out loud.
And another one that throws prototypes around.
Look...have you any clue how many vette prototypes have never made it to production? Needless to mention the amount of shit they throw on to a test mule to make it look so oddly different as to completely throw off any press, or speculation. Thus keeping the true body form a secret?
And "the looks of the GTR on the vette" ... to that, I lol...hard.
Look at Briklins, Pantera's, the Lambo Muira...many many cars have some of the design characteristics of the GTR. But THEY were FIRST. NOT Nissan. So dont hand me the "copy cat" crap.
As far as the tweaked versions. You couldnt be more wrong tbh. No offense
We have Corvette, Corvette Zo6, and ZR-1
The GTR is a hot version of the Nissan Skyline Coupe (tweak #1 hehe). The V-spec is a TWEAKED version of the GTR (tweak #2 hehehe)
My point(s) still stand.
Corvette...hands down.
And btw...When the GTR/V-spec finally hit US streets, I promise you they will sell for huge amounts over estimated or declared factory retail price.
From that point forth, they will depreciate and evntually become worthless almost, while the vette in my garage will CONTINUE to GAIN in resale value.
gimme a break...
Personally, you guys complaining about styling stuff being stolen is about as meaningful as pissing into the wind. Everyone borrows from everyone. Deal.
Actually, the current GTR is square 1. The V-Spec is the next model up. The current Skyline 350GT (the Skyline coupe in Japan, in America the Infiniti G37) is a car completely separate. The new GTR does not have Skyline found in its name at all. That is one thing Carlos Ghosn (Nissan CEO) made clear from day 1. The new GTR is its own car. It's not a step-up version or anything.
So if you want to make this argument, it took the Corvette (Step 1), the Z06 (Step 2), and the ZR-1 (Step 3) just to get to this current benchmark. The V-Spec prototype is just that, a prototype. It's not even moved to step 2. It's still halfway there. Trust me, the GTR is as much an icon in Japan as the Vette and Mustang is in America. Nissan isn't going to let this one go lightly. They're already surpassed Porsche (their original benchmark) and now they're going to raise the bar completely. Don't write Nissan off quite yet.
The Vette is going to be marked up as well. Don't think the Vette is some god of purity that won't be marked up. The Vette will lose value very fast just like all new cars. If you want to talk about rising value, come back in 30 years and then talk to me. Anytime before that is just bumpkis.
I await your retort ...