Dilbert_X
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Nobel laureates petition Bush over funding shortfall
A group of 20 Nobel-prize-winning physicists have written to US President George Bush, asking him to work with Congress to find at least $510m in “emergency supplemental funding” for the agencies that pay for much of the nation’s physics research. The laureates sent the letter in response to a similarly-sized shortfall in the amount of money granted by Congress for scientific research in this financial year compared with what Bush had first proposed.

"The 2008 budget sends a terrible message to the next generation of scientists," the laureates complain in their letter. "Instead of providing incentives for budding scientists, the funding plan provides discouragement". The letter's signatories include laser pioneer Charles Townes, particle theorist Frank Wilczek and 2006 winners, the cosmologists George Smoot and John Mather.

The funding situation in the US been difficult this year because the budget for the 2008 fiscal year — which began in October 2007 — was only agreed upon in December 2007, after 11 months of wrangling between the President and Congress. This delay was bad news for those researchers and institutes that had already started spending their 2008 money, only to find that their funding had been cut back or even curtailed.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/34137

Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) has gone on record warning that the United States might be liable to a $750 million default clause in the ITER agreement. Lamar's comments, made at an April 9 hearing of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on State and Foreign Operations, were addressed to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice.

The Administration requested $160 million for ITER last year for the U.S. contribution to the project this year. The report accompanying the Consolidated Appropriations Act passed in December contained the following language: "$0 for the U.S. contribution to ITER, and $10,724,000 for Enabling R&D for ITER," later stating, "Funding may not be reprogrammed from other activities within Fusion Energy Sciences to restore the U.S. contribution to ITER."
http://www.aip.org/fyi/2008/048.html

Science, and especially fusion research - is the only realistic hope for getting the world out of its energy hole.
Withdrawing from ITER would be pretty weak given the trillions blown in Iraq.

Still, its the first time Duhbya is apparently the good guy
It will be the last though.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-06-30 03:08:43)

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usmarine2
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war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
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especially the medical field.
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usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
yeah if you look throughout history the majority of scientific advances takes place during wars
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Vilham
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usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
Indeed. Medicine wouldn't be where it is today without warfare.
Scorpion0x17
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Who needs to spend money on making peoples lives better, when you can just invest that money in finding ways to kill more of them even quicker than before?
KEN-JENNINGS
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usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
Very true.  My main concern is that money is funnelled to private companies that throw money at Congress and politicians in general to get contracts.  I would be much happier if governments would spend more transparently and allocate more funds for public institutional research rather than waste billions of dollars in overpriced defense contracts that line some fat suit's pockets with cash.
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The constitution says that government should "provide for the common defense" not "pay for every damned commodity Americans need, including healthcare, taking care of lazies, illegal immigrants, and bums."

Science is best left in the hands of those who have a real interest and ambition in it; not in the hands of some underworked, tooth picking, paper pushing, bureaucrat.
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.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
yeah if you look throughout history the majority of scientific advances takes place during wars
The problem is though that war time science goes toward making war easier. War Time science is ussually new guns, missiles, armor, things that are not very important in peace time.

While peace time science is usually more practical in a peaceful situation.
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DoctaStrangelove wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
yeah if you look throughout history the majority of scientific advances takes place during wars
The problem is though that war time science goes toward making war easier. War Time science is ussually new guns, missiles, armor, things that are not very important in peace time.

While peace time science is usually more practical in a peaceful situation.
plastic, jets, nuclear power, and computers were invented out of scientific research during wars. Theres a good side to it also.
Besides, wouldn't it be better to create weapons that are less barbaric and cause less suffering than if we were still fighting Civil war take-turns-shooting style or having 2 armies of 10000 men running at each other with swords, maces, and spears?
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The_Mac wrote:

The constitution says that government should "provide for the common defense" not "pay for every damned commodity Americans need, including healthcare, taking care of lazies, illegal immigrants, and bums."

Science is best left in the hands of those who have a real interest and ambition in it; not in the hands of some underworked, tooth picking, paper pushing, bureaucrat.
But where will said people get their money?

Science is an expensive undertaking.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Kmar
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How much is your NASA ESA budget?
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SenorToenails
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Finding proper funding has been and always will be a problem for scientists.
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GWB and his buddies have their hands in many oil pies.  Fusion power is a form of competition for oil.
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usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
Back in WW2 when it's a race between you and your enemy to reach higher levels, yes, maybe other large scale wars too. Now, when you're fucking fighting scum who simply hide behind children and shit. Eh, Not so much. So, no, you're wrong about that. You're just trying to justify why your government doesn't fund science/innovation as much as it does its defence. Times are different these days, it's no longer the case that all inventions happen during wartime.

The cold war is over, there is no enemy to keep up with.

It would be interesting to see what innovations have been found from fighting these twats in Iraq/Afghanistan (they've almost lasted as long as WW2 now)
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

It would be interesting to see what innovations have been found from fighting these twats in Iraq/Afghanistan (they've almost lasted as long as WW2 now)
Use and development of UAV drones.
Mekstizzle
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

It would be interesting to see what innovations have been found from fighting these twats in Iraq/Afghanistan (they've almost lasted as long as WW2 now)
Use and development of UAV drones.
No shit there is military development. That happens with or without a war, and a war will obviously spur on military/defence development. I'm talking about real world developments. That have been spurred on because of these wars on terror.

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Vilham wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
Indeed. Medicine wouldn't be where it is today without warfare the nazis.
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

It would be interesting to see what innovations have been found from fighting these twats in Iraq/Afghanistan (they've almost lasted as long as WW2 now)
Use and development of UAV drones.
No shit there is military development. That happens with or without a war, and a war will obviously spur on military/defence development. I'm talking about real world developments. That have been spurred on because of these wars on terror.
Improved security systems at airports and seaports.
FatherTed
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


Use and development of UAV drones.
No shit there is military development. That happens with or without a war, and a war will obviously spur on military/defence development. I'm talking about real world developments. That have been spurred on because of these wars on terror.
Improved security systems at airports and seaports.
you've gotta admit, we havn't seen tech jumps like we did during the two WW's and the Cold War
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FatherTed wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:


No shit there is military development. That happens with or without a war, and a war will obviously spur on military/defence development. I'm talking about real world developments. That have been spurred on because of these wars on terror.
Improved security systems at airports and seaports.
you've gotta admit, we havn't seen tech jumps like we did during the two WW's and the Cold War
True, but there isn't a need like that today as much, technology that's non-military is advancing just as much. When you think about it, there's only so many super-massive physics experiments you can do, one was the nuke, the most recent is CERN, and CERN isn't of that much benefit to everday life really.
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Vilham wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

war has/is driven/driving science.  they go hand in hand really.
Indeed. Medicine wouldn't be where it is today without warfare.
Ah fuck...  I guess we're gonna need to bomb Iran or Pakistan next.....   or maybe Sudan, Zimbabwe, or Burma....
Dilbert_X
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there's only so many super-massive physics experiments you can do
ITER is important.
Potentially a new source of cheap unpolluting power.
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public perception of physicists and these endeavors might also be to blame here.  how different was the public view of 'rocket-scientists' in the 50s and 60s during the space race as compared to now?  we don't have a 'killer-app' as it were that truly inspires the population.  some may argue that the alternative fuels thing might be this killer app - great - that's a start.

it's a shame really.  i would hope there would be more funding to the sciences.  our edge is eroding in this country.

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