Wreckognize
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http://laist.com/2008/06/30/california_ … _eve_1.php

There is an initiative in the works that could end up on the November ballot that allows for marijuana to be sold to anyone, and anywhere that already sells alcohol. Its being called The Inalienable Rights Enforcement Initiative. From the full text of the measure:

    This initiative will amend the Constitution of California to defend and safeguard the inalienable rights of the People against infringement by governments and corporations, providing for the lawful growth, sale, and possession of marijuana. Marijuana will be taxed through a system of stamps and licenses--a $5 stamp will be required for the sale of an eighth ounce of marijuana and a $50 annual license will be required for the growth of one marijuana plant. To protect participants and encourage participation in the system, such licenses and stamps will be available anonymously in stores where marijuana is sold.

So instead of getting some quack doctor to give you a prescription for $100 because of your supposed "anxiety" or alleged "insomnia", you will just pay an extra tax each time you buy yourself another 8th.

Aside from allowing all willing adults to be able to buy weed easily, this initiative will start to generate revenue for California, and stimulate our struggling economy. More weed stores means more jobs for Californians, more taxes to be collected, and more people enjoying better weed. And finally marijuana will be put into the same file as Alcohol and Cigarettes where it belongs, instead of it being equated with crack-cocaine and heroine.

The initiative goes on to say why they believe this to be a necessary measure:

    We also hold these truths to be self-evident-That, as an intoxicant, marijuana is far less harmful to the health and safety of the People than alcohol--That, as a smoking substance, marijuana is far less addictive or harmful to the health of the People than tobacco--That, even though alcohol is harmful to the health and safety of the People, the prohibition of alcohol from 1920 to 1933 only increased the harms associated with alcohol use: criminals seized control of the alcohol market, crime and violence increased greatly, and poverty, unemployment, and corruption flourished, while otherwise lawful alcohol drinkers were treated as "criminals" subject to detention, arrest, and incarceration, even though they had not harmed the rights of anyone--That, as with alcohol prohibition, the prohibition of marijuana has only increased the harms associated with the use of marijuana: criminals control a multi-billion dollar market, crime and violence have increased greatly, and poverty, unemployment, and corruption flourish, while otherwise law-abiding marijuana smokers are treated as "criminals" subject to detention, arrest, and incarceration, even though they have not harmed the rights of anyone-That the history of marijuana prohibition is a history of repeated injuries and infringements upon the inalienable rights, powers, and best interests of the People.

Fuck Yes! Preach on, brothers! They go on to point out that alcohol, tobacco, and big-pharma lobbyists have the politicians that are supposed to represent the People in their back-pockets and serving the interests of the alcohol, tobacco, and big-pharma industries.

    Despite the harms of marijuana prohibition, politicians persist in imposing and upholding marijuana prohibition, because these politicians are not working for the People--they are working for the corporate executives who financed their campaigns, such as corporate executives in the alcohol industry who want to protect their monopoly on intoxication, corporate executives in the tobacco industry who want to protect their monopoly on smoking, corporate executives in the pharmaceutical industry who want to protect their monopoly on expensive medicines, and corporate executives in the many industries threatened by competition with hemp. These corporate executives pull the strings of the government to perpetuate marijuana prohibition despite its harms, because they do not care about the inalienable rights and best interests of the People--they care about taking as much money from the People as possible. These corporate executives also use their control of the mainstream media to make it seem like marijuana prohibition is a failed attempt to serve the interests of the People, censoring the idea that marijuana prohibition is a successful attempt to serve corporate interests at the expense of the People. For these corporate interests, politicians sacrifice the inalienable rights and best interests of the People. This corruption and corporate influence is worse at the national level, where the People can least afford political influence and the media is most effective at manipulating public debate. Because of this corruption, it is futile for the People to turn to the federal government for protection--because the federal government is the source of the harm. The repeated attempts by the People to reduce the harms of marijuana prohibition have been answered only by repeated injury. The harm from marijuana prohibition is ongoing and the need for relief is urgent. Such is the suffering of the People, and such is the necessity that constrains us to alter our former systems of government. A government with a character marked by every act that defines a tyrant is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Therefore, appealing to humankind for the rightness of our intentions

They need 694,354 signatures by September, 5, 2008. I think it's totally do-able. Its been over a decade since Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act of 1996, was passed with over 5 million votes in favor.

So 12 years later... are we more or less tolerant of recreational use of marijuana? For now, we'll have to wait and see.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6912|Northern California
Yeah...it'll totally pass....  lol

And what's up with everyone wanting to mess with our constitution?  Grrrrrrr...
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6816|The Gem Saloon
marijuana will not be legalized in our lifetimes.


keep holding your breath though....those fruitcakes at NORML might actually accomplish something
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7106|United States of America
It's easier to produce pot illegally than alcohol even if all you need is a license to do so. Who says those folks who are already growing it will pay for the licenses and whatnot to do it legally. They've already been committing a crime, so what's one more?
unnamednewbie13
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IRONCHEF wrote:

And what's up with everyone wanting to mess with our constitution?  Grrrrrrr...
I don't know, but Taco Bell messes with mine...
Ghandi767
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+17|7044|Hanging in the Balance
Will never pass

/Californian Fail
God Save the Queen
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+628|6765|tropical regions of london
california was the first state legalize medicinal marijuana, who knows.
i g
Banned
+876|6286|GA

i don't live in california anyway
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6922|so randum
It'd be cool if it did.

I can see next Prime Minister dropping the class to C for this
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6951|Global Command
It should be legalized.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6944|...

The day it happens, the big earthquake will occur. Law of balance.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6951|Global Command

jsnipy wrote:

The day it happens, the big earthquake will occur. Law of balance.
Cygnus?

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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7053|949

California Legalizes Marijuana?
No, it didn't.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

Parker wrote:

marijuana will not be legalized in our lifetimes.


keep holding your breath though....those fruitcakes at NORML might actually accomplish something
keep holding your breath...  for the buzz...   but don't forget to pass.
mtb0minime
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I'm not a stoner, but I do smoke when it's offered or lying around... if this thing passes and it does become legal, I probably will be stoned off my ass all the time hahaha.
CaptainSpaulding71
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+119|6778|CA, USA
great...an entire state of people talking like Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

https://www.fu-manchu.com/morbidaj/jeffs1.jpg

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FEOS
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

great...an entire state of people talking like Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

http://www.fu-manchu.com/morbidaj/jeffs1.jpg
How is that different than today?
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Dilbert_X
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As long as the Californian porn industry is unaffected I don't care what happens there.
Elect a body builder, smoke pot - whatever.
Films of naked fat hairy people talking crap and giggling would not do it for me though.

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JahManRed
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+646|7049|IRELAND

Never going to happen. Will be blocked at a federal level.

They are only going to mess up their current laws. Where it can be grown and used for medical reasons.
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6875|Ontario, Canada
That's the weird thing about marijuana in California. On the state level, it's legal for medical purposes but at the federal level, it's illegal.
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oChaos.Haze
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JahManRed wrote:

Never going to happen. Will be blocked at a federal level.

They are only going to mess up their current laws. Where it can be grown and used for medical reasons.
Since when has California EVER cared about the federal level.  It might pass.  If it does, then local, county, and state police can't do shit.  It would be the exact same as Denver, or California's current medicinal legality. 

California, land of the crazies, but somehow they are ahead of the turn on laws.  I personally cannot stand the fact that someone who grows pot ends up in the same place as someone who rapes kids.  It's asinine, rude, and very harmful.
SealXo
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+309|6957
sweeeettt weed would be so cheap if it was legal
XD
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

d4rkst4r wrote:

That's the weird thing about marijuana in California. On the state level, it's legal for medical purposes but at the federal level, it's illegal.
It's not just California. I believe Oregon is the same way. Any state that legalizes its use will face the same issue unless/until the federal government rescinds the law that makes mj possession a crime.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
CaptainSpaulding71
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+119|6778|CA, USA
let's suppose marijuana was indeed legalized and taxed - the whole 9 yards.  let's further suppose your surgen spent last night smoking an entire 8th.  i'd not feel really comfortable with him operating on me.  if he instead drank an entire case of beer, he wouldn't be able to come to work due to physical problems (being hung over, sick, etc).  pot doesn't tend to make you physically sick, but certainly fuddles the mind.  and this is what troubles me in my surgeon analogy.
SealXo
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+309|6957

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

let's suppose marijuana was indeed legalized and taxed - the whole 9 yards.  let's further suppose your surgen spent last night smoking an entire 8th.  i'd not feel really comfortable with him operating on me.  if he instead drank an entire case of beer, he wouldn't be able to come to work due to physical problems (being hung over, sick, etc).  pot doesn't tend to make you physically sick, but certainly fuddles the mind.  and this is what troubles me in my surgeon analogy.
I honestly doubt anyone with a high income job would be tokeing away, and if they did, they would anyways regardless if it was legal or not.

Shit last summer my friend sold a sack to a science teacher lol.

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