blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7110
Doug Pelmear said he isn't toying with the engine of 1987 Ford Mustang for the money.

The engineer's tinkering, however, could earn him $10 million and save him plenty more in gas money.

Pelmear, who lives in Napoleon, Ohio, has tweaked his Mustang to get 110 mpg, making the engine nearly five times as efficient as a traditional gas engine, he told the Toledo Blade newspaper.

"We redesigned a lot of different things on the [engine] block," Pelmear told the paper. "It's still a rod-and-piston engine; it just has a lot more electronics on it."

Traditional gas engines operate at 8 to 10 percent, efficiency, while the engine on the Mustang, he said, is at 38 percent efficiency.

He said he could greatly increase even that number if his car used traditional gasoline instead of a mix of gas and 85 percent ethanol.

Pelmear entered his car to win the the $10 million Progressive Automotive X Prize: a race to find an affordable, marketable automobile that gets at least 100 miles per gallon.

"I'm an optimist, and I think people need to know there is hope out there," Pelmear told the Toledo Blade. "That's why I decided to enter the X Prize race. I could have sold this [technology] off, but then people might not have seen it.

Pelmear told television station WNWO that the car hasn't traded power for miles per gallon. Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds.

"This will bring back the automotive industry when they can sell trucks and SUVs and the models that are almost dead at this time," he told WNWO.

http://www.local6.com/automotive/16768626/detail.html
Ryan
Member
+1,230|7308|Alberta, Canada

Nice find.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7149|United States of America
If this is on the level, it's epic win for consumers.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6912|Chicago, IL
watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7110

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
yeah thats what I was thinking lolz and then force us to use the same old shitty cars
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7086|London, England
I call bullshit.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7172|67.222.138.85

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

I call bullshit.
lol

The problem is how much did he spend tweaking the engine/fabricating the parts.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6662|Winland

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7110

Freezer7Pro wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
would you sell it if a oil company offered u lets say 100's of millions for the patent
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6912|Chicago, IL

Freezer7Pro wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
they'd offer 20 million or more, that's pennies to them, but a fortune to anyone else
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7110

S.Lythberg wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
they'd offer 20 million or more, that's pennies to them, but a fortune to anyone else
yeah they make billions 20 million or so is nothing to them or even 100 million
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7231|UK
"110 mpg, making the engine nearly five times as efficient as a traditional gas engine"

more like 3 times maximum.
CoconutBlitz
I've had the diarrheas since Easters
+145|7054|California U.S.A
Fook me with a rusty 4 barrel!

If he got that mileage WITH the performance though that 0-60 mph seems pretty high for 400 horses, I await the mass production of that along with telling the big oil companies to go fuck themselves with a 5 gallon gas can.
SealXo
Member
+309|7001
Hes going to be paid to keep quiet it will never happen
sell out i know a guy who made a huge 89 ford get like 200 and he got paidoff
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|7033|Mountains of NC

what he does is ........... on the downhills he cuts the engine and lets it coast














yes I know turning over the engine can suck up as much fuel as letting it idle for 6 hours
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VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6857|Southern California

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

I call bullshit.
lol

The problem is how much did he spend tweaking the engine/fabricating the parts.
And how much time do you have to spend fidgeting with it before each run.... and how long will it do that before it pops?


People take these numbers to be something that is working just like a regular consumer car, and that is most usually not the case. There is a lot of stuff that can be done, but doesn't work in everyday life for economic or reliability concerns....

However it is impressive, and damn good to see that it sounds like it was at least tested under semi realistic conditions. First thing I thought when reading the title was that this was done at 12mph, and it took three minutes to get to that speed...never slowed down could never make it over a 2 degree gradient.


Even though his design may not be feasible for consumer vehicles it is at least pushing things forward, and thats always a good thing...
But its important to remember that this doesn't mean automakers a part of a vast conspiracy, and that this is the leading edge of technology and is not something that would work in your typical car.
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6572|Birmingham, UK

S.Lythberg wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

watch oil companies buy the patent as soon as it's completed...
Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
they'd offer 20 million or more, that's pennies to them, but a fortune to anyone else
Yeah but wouldyou rather make a quick buck for yourself or save hundreds, even thousands for everyone else? And sell the patent to someone else?
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6857|Southern California

SEREMAKER wrote:

what he does is ........... on the downhills he cuts the engine and lets it coast














yes I know turning over the engine can suck up as much fuel as letting it idle for 6 hours
Uhhh I don't know that .... you sure?

that may be true of wear, but actual fuel consumption is based on a stoichiometric ratio to the air being drawn into the engine... starting doesn't require some kind of super rich mixture, definitely nothing that would be anywhere close to idling for 6 hours... You just need to get it turning at a good few hundred RPM, and the starter does that with out any fuel (well ok, the electricity used to power it is generated by burning fuel.... but you know.)
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6912|Chicago, IL

SEREVENT wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Let's just hope this guy isn't that corrupt
they'd offer 20 million or more, that's pennies to them, but a fortune to anyone else
Yeah but wouldyou rather make a quick buck for yourself or save hundreds, even thousands for everyone else? And sell the patent to someone else?
honestly...

depends on the next highest offer
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7105|Your moms bedroom
8-10%???

i say bullshit

8-10% of engine power is lost due to friction. If there was a way to get 110 mpg, someone would have figured it out by now, I have worked with some brilliant professors with masters in engineering. You can bet your ass tinkering with an engine isnt going to change the amount of energy you can get out of an engine, shit you can get a max just by using the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

0-60 in under 3 secs.... yea ok buddy... someones probably having a good laugh right about now.

Sounds like someone let the idiot in shop class who said putting a hood scoop on his honda and gave it 20 extra hp on the news

Last edited by Locoloki (2008-07-03 11:40:14)

VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6857|Southern California

Locoloki wrote:

8-10%???

i say bullshit

8-10% of engine power is lost due to friction. If there was a way to get 110 mpg, someone would have figured it out by now, I have worked with some brilliant professors with masters in engineering. You can bet your ass tinkering with an engine isnt going to change the amount of energy you can get out of an engine, shit you can get a max just by using the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

0-60 in under 3 secs.... yea ok buddy... someones probably having a good laugh right about now.

Sounds like someone let the idiot in shop class who said putting a hood scoop on his honda and gave it 20 extra hp on the news
Some one would have done it by now?

Technology advances so much, especially with him saying a lot of it is related to computer control.... what is possible with computers now would be completely unfeasible a decade ago.

The competition he is in is a major competition, definitely not some kid playing with hood scoops...


He said its still a rod and piston, but it doesn't say its anywhere NEAR stock...
On top of that, it does not say that his 3 second run was made while consuming @ a rate of 110mpg, just that it can achieve both...


Most development is for consumer cars, you can achive a shit ton more when you don't have to sell it to old women and teen agers with backwards hats.

Last edited by VicktorVauhn (2008-07-03 11:45:25)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6912|Chicago, IL

Locoloki wrote:

8-10%???

i say bullshit

8-10% of engine power is lost due to friction. If there was a way to get 110 mpg, someone would have figured it out by now, I have worked with some brilliant professors with masters in engineering. You can bet your ass tinkering with an engine isnt going to change the amount of energy you can get out of an engine, shit you can get a max just by using the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

0-60 in under 3 secs.... yea ok buddy... someones probably having a good laugh right about now.

Sounds like someone let the idiot in shop class who said putting a hood scoop on his honda and gave it 20 extra hp on the news
it's very possible to get over 1000 miles per gallon, it has been done many times on experimental vehicles, most of the energy of gasoline is lost in friction or wasted as heat, and oil companies are just fine with engines that operate at 10% efficiency.

however, i agree that such a feat would require a complete rebuild of the engine, not minor modifications, and is heavily dependent on the weight and design of the vehicle's body (and looking at the crime that was the 80's era mustangs...)
The#1Spot
Member
+105|7005|byah

Locoloki wrote:

8-10%???

i say bullshit

8-10% of engine power is lost due to friction. If there was a way to get 110 mpg, someone would have figured it out by now, I have worked with some brilliant professors with masters in engineering. You can bet your ass tinkering with an engine isnt going to change the amount of energy you can get out of an engine, shit you can get a max just by using the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

0-60 in under 3 secs.... yea ok buddy... someones probably having a good laugh right about now.

Sounds like someone let the idiot in shop class who said putting a hood scoop on his honda and gave it 20 extra hp on the news
Yea I agree. No way the Mustang can get 0-60 in under 3 with 400hp. I bet the well past 100mph is like 110mph. The Gumpert Apollo has a 650hp engine and weighs 1100kg. It does the 0-60 in 3sec.
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6958|N. Ireland
0-60 in 3 in an '87? That's skeptical, I'd quite like to see a video of that!
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6857|Southern California

The#1Spot wrote:

Locoloki wrote:

8-10%???

i say bullshit

8-10% of engine power is lost due to friction. If there was a way to get 110 mpg, someone would have figured it out by now, I have worked with some brilliant professors with masters in engineering. You can bet your ass tinkering with an engine isnt going to change the amount of energy you can get out of an engine, shit you can get a max just by using the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

0-60 in under 3 secs.... yea ok buddy... someones probably having a good laugh right about now.

Sounds like someone let the idiot in shop class who said putting a hood scoop on his honda and gave it 20 extra hp on the news
Yea I agree. No way the Mustang can get 0-60 in under 3 with 400hp. I bet the well past 100mph is like 110mph. The Gumpert Apollo has a 650hp engine and weighs 1100kg. It does the 0-60 in 3sec.
Its probably a fiberglass mold of a mustang body hung on a Styrofoam frame

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