BF2S Forums My conflict between what I believe and what is acceptable

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...

I don't fucking protest the cartoon - I would protest the Orange march. Try reading for a change. I think I made my sentiments on the killing of civilians quite absolutely crystal clear also, ignore it if it makes you feel better. People have better things to be doing with their time than protesting the acts of callous idiots to which you have no affiliation. Some people have jobs ye know lowing.

lowing wrote:

They do have jobs, yet seem to manage to find time to take to the streets about something they are against, like cartoons, but NO time to take to the streets over something they suppposedly are also against like multiple beheadings, bodies slung from a bridge, etc.................now why would that be? I could only wonder

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-10 02:59:39)

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't fucking protest the cartoon - I would protest the Orange march. Try reading for a change. I think I made my sentiments on the killing of civilians quite absolutely crystal clear also, ignore it if it makes you feel better. People have better things to be doing with their time than protesting the acts of callous idiots to which you have no affiliation. Some people have jobs ye know lowing.

Missed your edit.


They do have jobs, yet seem to manage to find time to take to the streets about something they are against, like cartoons, but NO time to take to the streets over something they suppposedly are also against like multiple beheadings, bodies slung from a bridge, etc.................now why would that be? I could only wonder

Because what would that achieve? All that happens is you clog up the streets.

The intention is good, but frankly...

lowing wrote:

Nope, I judge the utter silence of the beheading videos and such, against the uproar of a cartoon. The contrast is irrefutable, regardless if you like it r not.

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ZombieVampire! wrote:

Uh............tens of thousands of Muslims out of how many millions worldwide?

Oh, my mistake, it's at least a billion.  Silly me.

lowing wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Uh............tens of thousands of Muslims out of how many millions worldwide?

Oh, my mistake, it's at least a billion.  Silly me.

Perhaps, but it is still 10s of thousands more than took to the streets over violent beheadings and mutilations, now isn't it?? It is undeniable that this got far more attention then the violence done in the name of Islam.

Braddock wrote:

Read the stuff you are posting lowing.

That report puts the number of protesters in Indonesia at only 150 (0.000075%), even lower than I had first said. You also carefully neatly step over the fact that the article points out that despite the protests in some areas "other Muslim community groups called for moderation and calm".

One Muslim public spokesman even goes as far as to declare how their Norwegian patriotism has been offended: "Muslims in Norway feel violated twice in this case - first through the caricatures then by the Norwegian flag being burned"...I thought you said these Mooslims never integrated or identified with the cultures they moved into?

The article points out that 10'000 Palestinians marched in protest in Gaza; that's 10'000 out of around 1'400'000 Palestinian Muslims (0.7%).

The article says 15'000 marched in Sudan; that's 15'000 out of around 29,600,000 Sudanese Muslims (0.05%).

Again you choose to tar the Muslim majority with the same brush as these minorities.

The article quotes the inflammatory words of a handful of extremist clerics, for example "These drawings are a declaration of war", "Bin Laden, our beloved, Denmark must be blown up" and "those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off" and yet a war hasn't been waged, Denmark has not been blown up and the people responsible for the cartoons haven't had their heads cut off...I guess this means Muslims don't always follow the words of all these extremist clerics, sorry that doesn't fit in with your world view lowing.

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B.Schuss wrote:

As I said, I wonder what acceptable levels of outrage are according to lowing. How do you even measure that ? At what point, lowing, would you concede that muslims have protested sufficiently ? I find it difficult to apply any set of standards here.

Especially since we can only rely on what the news media report.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-07-10 05:28:00)

lowing wrote:

No need to protest blackwater........

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-10 10:22:07)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

No need to protest blackwater........

Hypocrisyorama. That is the no.1 most hypocritical own-argument-defeating sentence I've ever heard uttered on this forum in my entire time here.

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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I read the article, remember? I am the one who pointed out that they wanted to behead the offenders..... I do not give a shit if it was 400 ( which it clearly was not) it would be 400 more than marched in protest of violence isn't it?

I explained the logic quite crystal clearly earlier lowing. If you don't like logic then please refrain from responding to my posts. I'll reprint the logic seeing as you seem to need to read things several thousand times before they sink in (if ever):

lowing. I am an Irish Republican. I do not condone the killing of civilians in the name of achieving a 32 county Republic. All throughout my life many many bombings, beatings, shootings and maimings of civilians took place at the hands of the PIRA and offshoots thereof in the name of a 32 county Republic. I never, not once, took to the streets to protest even though they purported to be doing this in my name, for the cause of the 32 county Republic. Why? Because the PIRA does not represent who I am or what I believe in. I don't believe the PIRA represents true honorable Republicanism. For me to protest would be to accept some kind of shared responsibility for their actions by virtue of the fact I'm an Irish Republican, which I do not accept as having. On the other hand if Orangemen wished to parade down my street I would protest vehemently, even though I'm not a member of and do not endorse the PIRA.

Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.

QED, game, set and match.

* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.

Having said all that, we have provided you with ample examples of Islamic condemnation of atrocities even from such hypocritical entities as Hamas and Hizbollah. As such, I don't know why I bothered making this particular post.

lowing wrote:

They do have jobs, yet seem to manage to find time to take to the streets about something they are against, like cartoons, but NO time to take to the streets over something they suppposedly are also against like multiple beheadings, bodies slung from a bridge, etc.................now why would that be? I could only wonder

Because they don't feel affiliated to Al Qaeda, in much the same manner as I do not feel affiliated to the PIRA? Because they do feel offended at the derogatory cartoons, much as I would be offended at an Orange march through my neighbourhood? I know that sounds too logical and doesn't fit your anti-Muslim bias but I guess that's just something you're going to have to put up with. I feel content with my political represenatives condemning PIRA violence, much as most Muslims probably feel content with thier representative organisations issuing condemnatory statements.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I read the article, remember? I am the one who pointed out that they wanted to behead the offenders..... I do not give a shit if it was 400 ( which it clearly was not) it would be 400 more than marched in protest of violence isn't it?

I explained the logic quite crystal clearly earlier lowing. If you don't like logic then please refrain from responding to my posts. I'll reprint the logic seeing as you seem to need to read things several thousand times before they sink in (if ever):

lowing. I am an Irish Republican. I do not condone the killing of civilians in the name of achieving a 32 county Republic. All throughout my life many many bombings, beatings, shootings and maimings of civilians took place at the hands of the PIRA and offshoots thereof in the name of a 32 county Republic. I never, not once, took to the streets to protest even though they purported to be doing this in my name, for the cause of the 32 county Republic. Why? Because the PIRA does not represent who I am or what I believe in. I don't believe the PIRA represents true honorable Republicanism. For me to protest would be to accept some kind of shared responsibility for their actions by virtue of the fact I'm an Irish Republican, which I do not accept as having. On the other hand if Orangemen wished to parade down my street I would protest vehemently, even though I'm not a member of and do not endorse the PIRA.

Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.

QED, game, set and match.

* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.

Having said all that, we have provided you with ample examples of Islamic condemnation of atrocities even from such hypocritical entities as Hamas and Hizbollah. As such, I don't know why I bothered making this particular post.

lowing wrote:

They do have jobs, yet seem to manage to find time to take to the streets about something they are against, like cartoons, but NO time to take to the streets over something they suppposedly are also against like multiple beheadings, bodies slung from a bridge, etc.................now why would that be? I could only wonder

Because they don't feel affiliated to Al Qaeda, in much the same manner as I do not feel affiliated to the PIRA? Because they do feel offended at the derogatory cartoons, much as I would be offended at an Orange march through my neighbourhood? I know that sounds too logical and doesn't fit your anti-Muslim bias but I guess that's just something you're going to have to put up with. I feel content with my political represenatives condemning PIRA violence, much as most Muslims probably feel content with thier representative organisations issuing condemnatory statements.