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2008-07-09 20:58:02
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC
"Nigger in the wrong place at the right time
Soon as the car door open up he mine
We roll up quick and put the pistol to his nose
By the look on his face he probably shitted in his clothes"

You think it was written by a white supremacist group or something, right? The use of a racial slur, the violent imagery, etc.












spoilers: Those aren't the real lyrics:
"White boy in the wrong place at the right time
Soon as the car door open up he mine
We roll up quick and put the pistol to his nose
By the look on his face he probably shitted in his clothes"

Can someone explain to me why if the song's about robbing white people it's fine, but if you suddenly change it to be about black people it's the pinnacle of racism?

inb4racist

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-07-09 20:58:10)

2008-07-09 20:59:01
THE_EYE
Banned
+76|6226|Amsterdam, NY
2008-07-09 20:59:34
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london

HurricaИe wrote:

Can someone explain to me why if the song's about robbing white people it's fine
says who?
2008-07-09 21:00:32
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6574|what

Nigger is more offensive then "white boy"

Last edited by TheAussieReaper (2008-07-09 21:01:02)

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2008-07-09 21:01:35
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6815|The Gem Saloon
i have eight .45's and a piece of cold steel that says he isnt shit...
j/k
2008-07-09 21:03:10
THE_EYE
Banned
+76|6226|Amsterdam, NY

God Save the Queen wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Can someone explain to me why if the song's about robbing white people it's fine
says who?
2008-07-09 21:04:12
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC

God Save the Queen wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Can someone explain to me why if the song's about robbing white people it's fine
says who?
Never seen ANY outrage by equality groups regarding songs like this:



Yet some guy flips his lid at some black guys (that dumbass Michael Richards... not saying what he did is alright btw) and he's the reincarnation of hitler.
2008-07-09 21:04:39
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|6377|Minnesota
i thought the first one was written by a black person when i read it.
2008-07-09 21:04:53
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london

THE_EYE wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Can someone explain to me why if the song's about robbing white people it's fine
says who?
oh.  I thought he was talking about insignificant people.
2008-07-09 21:10:37
THE_EYE
Banned
+76|6226|Amsterdam, NY

God Save the Queen wrote:

THE_EYE wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

says who?
oh.  I thought he was talking about insignificant people.
lol at zionist media in the begining just relized that......zomg  david duke.com at the end lulz @_@

Last edited by THE_EYE (2008-07-09 21:21:29)

2008-07-09 21:18:06
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6248
Well, firstly there's no racist slur in the original lyrics.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't listen to either song.  But then, I don't like rap.
2008-07-09 21:25:24
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Well, firstly there's no racist slur in the original lyrics.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't listen to either song.  But then, I don't like rap.
Fine, let's say it just says "Black guy."

What's interesting is how some people are quick to label others racists simply because they question an obvious double standard. No different than saying that someone who doesn't support the war also doesn't support the troops.
2008-07-09 21:27:39
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6248
Who's labelled you a racist?
2008-07-09 21:29:49
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Who's labelled you a racist?
Nobody in this topic so far, but I've seen it happen countless times in other topics regarding this issue. If not calling them a racist, they're called supporters of a racist agenda or some stupid shit.

And it seems to be a pattern; a lot of this kinda rap is all about getting shit through violent ways. I think the most violent stuff I've heard is death metal, and that seems to be just general violence... not against 'the man' and getting 'reparations' and shit.
2008-07-09 21:29:59
Volatile
Member
+252|7125|Sextupling in Empire

It should be illegal to publicly broadcast any music depicting racist acts *or thoughts*. Though I don't know if it is. I don't listen to the FM band.

Last edited by Volatile (2008-07-09 21:30:28)

2008-07-09 21:32:48
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london

HurricaИe wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Well, firstly there's no racist slur in the original lyrics.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't listen to either song.  But then, I don't like rap.
Fine, let's say it just says "Black guy."

What's interesting is how some people are quick to label others racists simply because they question an obvious double standard.
what double standard?  normal society doesnt look at that kind of stuff in a positive light.
2008-07-09 21:32:49
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6248

HurricaИe wrote:

Nobody in this topic so far, but I've seen it happen countless times in other topics regarding this issue. If not calling them a racist, they're called supporters of a racist agenda or some stupid shit.
So, instead of quoting one of those examples you create new one that doesn't work?

HurricaИe wrote:

And it seems to be a pattern; a lot of this kinda rap is all about getting shit through violent ways. I think the most violent stuff I've heard is death metal, and that seems to be just general violence... not against 'the man' and getting 'reparations' and shit.
And perhaps that has to do with demographics.
2008-07-09 22:55:39
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

God Save the Queen wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Well, firstly there's no racist slur in the original lyrics.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't listen to either song.  But then, I don't like rap.
Fine, let's say it just says "Black guy."

What's interesting is how some people are quick to label others racists simply because they question an obvious double standard.
what double standard?  normal society doesnt look at that kind of stuff in a positive light.
I would agree, yet it sells a bazillion dollars a day?
2008-07-09 22:59:28
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6248
And?  There are all sorts of morally questionable profitable ventures, and blacks aren't the only group involved in it.  Ultimately if it were just someone talking about beating the crap out of white people noone would buy it: they buy it because the sounds are rythmic and pleasing, the words are secondary.
2008-07-09 23:16:36
Home
Section.80
+447|7269|Seattle, Washington, USA

Haha, Dead Prez! Good shit.

Several points to make:

First off, if you actually listen to the entire context of the lyrics and watch the video, he is robbing the kid of his pizza delivery money, not his personal money. In fact, the next line is "You know what this is, it's a stickup/ Give me the dough, from your pick ups." So he is effectively robbing a pizza store. The robbery is not racially motivated.

Secondly:

HurricaИe wrote:

And it seems to be a pattern; a lot of this kinda rap is all about getting shit through violent ways. I think the most violent stuff I've heard is death metal, and that seems to be just general violence... not against 'the man' and getting 'reparations' and shit.
There's a double standard. Why shouldn't they take stuff via violence? Personally, I can't say that I completely agree with that viewpoint (so I'm doing a little devil's advocate here), but I do think it's interesting how people get all pissy when black rappers rap about taking shit from "the man" violently yet seem to completely ignore that "the man" has been doing exactly that to them for hundreds of years. Why shouldn't they get violent? What exactly do you think they should do when "the man" murders their Fred Hamptons in their beds?
2008-07-09 23:37:00
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC

Home wrote:

Why shouldn't they get violent?
Because it's not the civilized thing to do? I know quite a fair few blacks who are successful. Hell, we've got a black guy who could become the fuckin' president! I don't recall the last time there was a major KKK rally or lynch mobs. I don't deny that racism is alive in America, but to say it's anywhere NEAR as bad as it was 100 or 200 years ago is disgraceful. To compare being given a short end of the stick because of stereotypes (which are perpetuated by actions of people OF THEIR OWN RACE, just as there are stereotypes about middle easterners, hispanics, and even whites) to being kept in chains all day, forced to work in sweltering hot fields picking cotton, being whipped at your master's will, being separated from your family is lunacy.

The Spanish invaded Mexico and killed lots of its native people, same with a lot of South American countries. Yet I don't see people in Mexico perpetrating violence against the Spanish because their ancestors were killed by Cortez. I realize there is still racism in America, but as I said it's because of stereotypes and people aspiring to those stereotypes.

This next line will probably get people to drop the "RACIST" bomb on me and call Jesse Jackson and shit, but I frankly don't give a fuck because none of you know my personal life (e.g. the fact that a fair few of my friends are black or other minorities, that I'm partially a minority myself etc): If more blacks 'acted like' Barack Obama instead of like this:



NSFW:
http://nothingtoxic.com/media/116953474 … Isnt_Black

NSFW:
http://nothingtoxic.com/media/119476104 … the_Subway

NSFW:
http://nothingtoxic.com/media/121555828 … ite_People

then those stereotypes wouldn't continue to be held. I realize that those videos I posted represent a very small amount of all blacks, and I KNOW that most blacks aren't like that. But people will often retain the negative more than the positive.

Now go ahead and call me a racist everyone, it gives me a warm funny feeling in my tummy.
2008-07-09 23:47:30
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina

Home wrote:

Haha, Dead Prez! Good shit.

Several points to make:

First off, if you actually listen to the entire context of the lyrics and watch the video, he is robbing the kid of his pizza delivery money, not his personal money. In fact, the next line is "You know what this is, it's a stickup/ Give me the dough, from your pick ups." So he is effectively robbing a pizza store. The robbery is not racially motivated.

Secondly:

HurricaИe wrote:

And it seems to be a pattern; a lot of this kinda rap is all about getting shit through violent ways. I think the most violent stuff I've heard is death metal, and that seems to be just general violence... not against 'the man' and getting 'reparations' and shit.
There's a double standard. Why shouldn't they take stuff via violence? Personally, I can't say that I completely agree with that viewpoint (so I'm doing a little devil's advocate here), but I do think it's interesting how people get all pissy when black rappers rap about taking shit from "the man" violently yet seem to completely ignore that "the man" has been doing exactly that to them for hundreds of years. Why shouldn't they get violent? What exactly do you think they should do when "the man" murders their Fred Hamptons in their beds?
I think you'll find that the victim mentality promoted by a lot of black culture just successfully keeps black people "victims."  You can blame "the man" all you want, but in the end, your own actions are what determine a good portion of your success.

If you don't believe me, then ask yourself how a half-black man like Obama can get as far as he has looking like a completely black man and having to deal with the prejudice that results from that.  He even was once part of a church that preached something akin to black supremacy, but he thankfully distanced himself from the delusional rantings of Reverend Wright and others, which all seems to prove quite clearly that success involves mostly supporting yourself and blaming the system less.

At this point, black people can mostly blame each other for most of their ills, especially when you consider that the majority of murder in this country involves black people killing each other.
2008-07-10 00:04:58
Home
Section.80
+447|7269|Seattle, Washington, USA

HurricaИe wrote:

Home wrote:

Why shouldn't they get violent?
Because it's not the civilized thing to do?
I realize that, but you can't hold an entire race to standards that you wouldn't even hold yourself to. I constantly hear shit on here about how some criminal was killed because he was beating up someone or stealing something, and everyone is defending the guy who killed the criminal and saying he did the world a favor. How is it different if the police are beating you up because you're black? In that situation, I can't and don't expect the victim to just accept the beating and not fight back. I really just don't understand how you can expect people to not get pissed, to not get violent, when that's how they're treated.

HurricaИe wrote:

I know quite a fair few blacks who are successful. Hell, we've got a black guy who could become the fuckin' president! I don't recall the last time there was a major KKK rally or lynch mobs. I don't deny that racism is alive in America, but to say it's anywhere NEAR as bad as it was 100 or 200 years ago is disgraceful. To compare being given a short end of the stick because of stereotypes (which are perpetuated by actions of people OF THEIR OWN RACE, just as there are stereotypes about middle easterners, hispanics, and even whites) to being kept in chains all day, forced to work in sweltering hot fields picking cotton, being whipped at your master's will, being separated from your family is lunacy.
I'm not saying that the racial situation is anywhere near as bad as it has been. But you acknowledge that there is still racism in America. And it's sometimes violent. So black people can't fight back? Screw that. Oh, and I don't know where you've been, but KKK and Neo-Nazi rallies happen all over the country every year.

HurricaИe wrote:

The Spanish invaded Mexico and killed lots of its native people, same with a lot of South American countries. Yet I don't see people in Mexico perpetrating violence against the Spanish because their ancestors were killed by Cortez.
Part of that is because a lot of Mexico is made up of the decendents of the Spanish. It's actually quite similar: In Mexico, the "white Mexicans" (Spanish heritage) are generally the richest and have the most power. And if you looked a little closer, you would see the indigenous people fighting against that system in Oaxaca and Chiapas with movements such as the EZLN. 

HurricaИe wrote:

I realize there is still racism in America, but as I said it's because of stereotypes and people aspiring to those stereotypes.
I disagree. I knew of stereotypes about races as a kid long before I saw the mainstream rappers striving to be those stereotypes. They would exist whether anyone lived up to them or not.
2008-07-10 00:07:43
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6382|Washington DC
(yes I'm a fast reader)

I'm not saying violence is NEVER unwarranted, but at least do it against the right people! If some cop is brutalizing you take it out on THAT cop, not some random other cop. If some guy is giving you shit, take it out on HIM and not some random passerby who is the same color as the guy who pissed you off.

Anyway, I have to go to bed / kill a fly that's in my room.
2008-07-10 00:10:09
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7143|Eastern PA
Instead of talking about "black culture" I think we should draw a distinction between mass culture and the particulars of a community.

Mass culture of any type tends to be pretty poor (The Bachelor, America's Got Talent, American Idol, etc.) and I think rap music is fairly indicative of mass culture at this point. You won't find any real authority figures in the black community downing education or any similar nonsense.

And honestly, blaming some broader amorphous entity like "black culture" is just the same as blaming the broader face-less entity "the man". In either instance it undermines the case for individual strength and ability. Both are blame paradigms.

 

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