BF2S Forums Atheist soldier sues Army for 'unconstitutional' discrimination

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

He should have been able to pray with his troops. Somehow I manage to do it every night at dinner to please my mother, and my dad forces me to lead prayers at holiday gatherings, when I've been to church less than ten times in my life and everyone in my family but my mom is atheist.

What God do they pray to?

I'm sorry but if Church and State shouldn't mix (and I believe they shouldn't) then Church and military should definitely not mix. I can't believe they'd even make allowance for such a thing...what next, five prayer breaks a day for Muslim soldiers? If this story is true it's an example of the kind of appeasement lowing would usually scream blue murder over.

All Christian, mostly Baptist.

See I think this particular part of the article has nothing to do with religion. It doesn't matter why he is not deemed a good leader, the fact is he is not a good leader. When I have to say prayers, it is not a religious matter, it is about respecting and obeying my parents. It wouldn't be fair to put him in command of troops that don't respect him, both for the troops and for himself.

As my mother used to say to me...and what if all the other soldiers wanted to put their hands in the fire?

I'll tell who the bad leader is...whoever agreed to let religion impinge on military procedures and protocol in the first place. In my opinion if you want to join the army leave your religion at the door. What happens when a Christian soldier refuses to carry out an operation on a Sunday or a Jewish soldier on a Saturday, or when a Muslim soldier demands to stop and pray in the middle of a mission or when a Sikh soldier gives away his platoon's position because his turban is sticking up over the edge of the trench?

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

No it's not.  Read the articles in the links I just posted.

yes it is.  fuck your articles.  I was an atheist soldier.  Ive known plenty of other atheist soldiers.  get out of your internet world.

Whatever you say mister know it all.

Sorry, Dung Bomb, GStQ is right.  I was an athiest soldier as well; several of my friends were Wiccan.  And Buddist.  And Muslim.  And Christians of every flavor of the rainbow, an let us not forget Jewish, although I only knew two of them.  You read what you want on the internet; we were actually IN the Army.

The majority of the military IS religious; the majority of the population of the country (and the world) is religious.  The problem is that people do not understand why there is a dispartiy in the percentages of religious people in the nation and in the military.  Religious people, in general and for the most part, tend toward the conservative scale than non-religious people.  Conservative people, in general and for the most part, tend to think more favorably of the military than their liberal counterparts.  Peoplr who think favorably of the military, in general and for the most part, are more likely to join the military, than people who do not look upon them in a good light.

God Save the Queen wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

there are no atheists in a foxhole

I could honestly tell you that that is not true

i'm sure there are... and i support them the same as any soldier... it's just an expression...lol

Sydney wrote:

imortal wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Wow. More than 8,000 complaints. (another missed opportunity to throw in over 9000)

I can't say much, I'm just going to wait for the milfags who have done the real deal to come in and say what they think of this. But from what I've seen, I can't really believe that there are so many religious folk in the US Military like the article says, who knows.

"milfags?"

Sorry, please explain the term for those of us who want to be absolutely sure what you mean?

Some of us would most likely prefer the term "Veterans."

4chan slang.

Oh now you make it sound even worse.

It's just a joke, chill out

This will be dismissed. There is complete freedom of religion in the US Armed Forces. Either practice or dont, its your choice. Fuck this little shit. He needs a good rack party, but no were a gentler softer armed forces now, with body guards for our solders?! FFS

Boo fucking hoo. They cool kids don't want me to sit with them at their table. I guran-god damn-tee it is not because of his faith, it is because he is a fucking tool. I went almost five years in the Marine Corps and not one fucking person asked me if I even had a religious preference. I never once went to church and I never prayed at the chow hall but for some reason I was still invited to all the keggers and was asked to come to whatever room they were running a tain on some slutty Air Force chick. This guy needs to get over himself and just not act like a douche bag. Nobody in the military gives two shits what your faith is as long as you can think quick, pull a trigger, and cover your buddies ass when it counts. I bet you ten to one they don't trust him which is why they exclude him. Fucking Pussy.

Last edited by deeznutz1245 (2008-07-10 17:18:41)

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Boo fucking hoo. They cool kids don't want me to sit with them at their table. I guran-god damn-tee it is not because of his faith, it is because he is a fucking tool. I went almost five years in the Marine Corps and not one fucking person asked me if I even had a religious preference. I never once went to church and I never prayed at the chow hall but for some reason I was still invited to all the keggers and was asked to come to whatever room they were running a tain on some slutty Air Force chick. This guy needs to get over himself and just not act like a douche bag. Nobody in the military gives two shits what your faith is as long as you can think quick, pull a trigger, and cover your buddies ass when it counts. I bet you ten to one they don't trust him which is why they exclude him. Fucking Pussy.

Agreed. I call bull shit on this one.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

What a gay story.  My dog tags said I was Druid because I was atheist and I thought it would be funny to see wtf the military would do to my corpse with that one.

There are all diff. types in the military.  I have seen a Nazi, Muslims facing east atop tanks, and have even heard the tale of the etherbunny.  My criteria for getting along with someone was:

1.  will he be worth a shit when the shit goes down
2.  does he smoke and let me bum smokes
3.  does he not bum smokes off me
4.  does he have hot sisters/cousins

Exactly, however, I would swap number four with number two.

It sounds like this guy pursued the wrong career.  If you read between the lines, it looks like this guy really despised the collectivist nature of the military.  Yet...  what do you expect?  Of course there's going to be a lot of peer pressure and mindfucking.  I find people annoying enough in the individualistic civilian world.  I sure as fuck wouldn't volunteer to deal with people that closely 24/7.

I recognize the necessity for there to be soldiers and people willing to put their lives on the line, but it seems to take a mindset quite different from this guy's.  Besides, even though I know there are a few servicemen on this site that are atheist, I have to ask why you'd want to serve if you believe this is the only life.

I'm an atheist myself, and the last thing I'd want to do is increase my chances of ending this one shot deal we have at life early (no pun intended).  Something tells me this guy really didn't think through what he got himself into.

God Save the Queen wrote:

because Im not a self interested bastard.

Well hey man...  I respect your willingness to sacrifice, but a lot of the reason I don't think the way you do is because I've noticed how little gratitude most people have for the sacrifices of others.  Sure, some people actually care, but a lot of people truly don't give a shit.

God Save the Queen wrote:

it doesnt matter wether people care or not.  I didnt serve for a pat on the shoulder.

Very true.  I doubt many would.  I'm just saying...  How do you keep from resenting the people you're supposed to protect?

Turquoise wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

it doesnt matter wether people care or not.  I didnt serve for a pat on the shoulder.

Very true.  I doubt many would.  I'm just saying...  How do you keep from resenting the people you're supposed to protect?

Hanging out with each other, alchohol, sticking with those who do understand and appreciate us, alchohol, ignoring the mainstream news, alchohol, and laughing at people in the civilian world who use the term 'life or death' with imputiny.

not really.