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ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

You want to go to another country and play with military toys? Join the fucking military.

Don't sit across the world sponging on tax payers dollars and tell me how things are here, you don't know, you are one of a million people who are being parasitical when it comes to me tax dollars.

Did you vote for Bush?

Sure did. Shoot me.


That fucker claimed to be a conservative. He lied.
I voted for him again when he went up against Kerry, and would probably have to make that decision again.

But, you can kiss the republican party goodbye.
The neocons are a disease that has saddled our grandchildren with debt.

Obama will win and oversee the fiscal death of America.


Borrow and Spend. Thanks what the eight years of republican leadership have been all about.


Hey Mr. Personal Responsibility; why don't you gtfo out of Iraq.
They don't want you there, the American public doesn't want you there.

The only people who do want you there is the press, the Neocons and the goat fucking Sultans who are making billions of the suffering pain and death.

You are part of the problem, not the solution.

At least don't speak to me of stateside economics. I don't want to have to clean the vomit off my monitor again.

FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

You want to go to another country and play with military toys? Join the fucking military.

Don't sit across the world sponging on tax payers dollars and tell me how things are here, you don't know, you are one of a million people who are being parasitical when it comes to me tax dollars.

ATG has a point there Lowing.  You don't like people relying on the government, yet you are one of them.

He's not relying on the government. It's just coincidental that his current contract is funded by the government. It could just as easily have been funded by a civilian company.

And to bitch about the people who are working for various companies over in the ME right now (to include Halliburton) is just sour grapes. Many of those people are earning more (and risking more) than they would ever earn otherwise. Not Blackwater, but the TCNs who are doing the services stuff over there. Is the cost of it excessive? Absolutely. But as KM pointed out, this isn't Halliburton's first rodeo.

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

You want to go to another country and play with military toys? Join the fucking military.

Don't sit across the world sponging on tax payers dollars and tell me how things are here, you don't know, you are one of a million people who are being parasitical when it comes to me tax dollars.

ATG has a point there Lowing.  You don't like people relying on the government, yet you are one of them.

Not hardly Serge. I do not work for the govt.

I guess when I was back at the airline you could/ would say the same thing since I fell under FAA regulations. It is a weak attempt to come up with an excuse for my successes and his apparent lack of them.

I guess by your definition, a mailman is a govt. leech as well, while the welfare recipient is not, since he isn't WORKING for the govt.

Gimme break with this line of bullshit.

FEOS wrote:

ATG wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How would contract logistics support be "mercenary"?

Mercenaries are independent combat troops hired in lieu of soldiers. Not security guards, but actual combat troops. You're overreacting just a tad with your descriptions there.

Yeah, I have stability in my income...but no stability in my home life. It's a tradeoff.

The military has tried to hide the true cost of the war and the man power requirements by the use of these so called private contractors.

Immoral, to pay contractors elevated wages over what U.S. troops get.
Damaging, to do so. Why would any soldier not abandon the military to work for contractors?
Illegal, to hire mercenaries. Blackwater at the least has damaged our reputation internationally.
Clueless, to sit there on the tax payer dime, and tell us private citizens how we should live.
Insulting, tbh.

Every goddamnned part of it.

All of your points are valid...except for calling the contractors mercenaries. Are they executing traditional military operations? No. They are providing the same services there that companies provide elsewhere in the world for military and other government agencies: chow hall, laundry, construction, security details for non-military facilities/people, logistics movement, etc.

And lowing isn't on the "tax payer dime" (gotta make sure I get it exact or Bubs will whine)...he's sitting there on his employer's dime. One of the sources of income for his employer is government contracts.




Do you not agree that a significant exacerbatory factor in the current crisis is Americans living beyond their means, with no margin for situations like this? Not enough savings, excessive debt accumulation, gambling with adjustable mortgage rates (which they all knew could go up)...those aren't the fault of the government, Iraq, the military, or anything else. Those are all personal decisions made by many Americans, and now they're paying for it.

God Save the Queen wrote:

"tax money" is too broad.


I collect tax money through my veterans benefits.  I collected tax money when I was serving.  Tax dollars paid for my 20K surgery I had late last year.

Last edited by ATG (2008-07-12 08:16:06)

God Save the Queen wrote:

Cheney has seen his value in Haliburton stock go up 4000% within the last 5 years.  There is something really wrong there.  He has no control of the company agenda, but he is still a share holder.

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo. It was Carter who made it official state policy to intervene with force in the ME. This shows you the current worth of nobel peace prizes.

The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on 23 January 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf region. The doctrine was a response to the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union, and was intended to deter the Soviet Union—the Cold War adversary of the United States—from seeking hegemony in the Persian Gulf. After stating that Soviet troops in Afghanistan posed "a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil,"

It was Clinton who made it official state policy to remove Saddam.
Every US president since has stuck their nose in the region. Combine these two standing policies with the attacks and you can see how we got to where we are today. This is all the more reason previous administrations should have seen the need for a better energy solution.

I am not excusing the failings of GWB neither. His lack of foresight and unwillingness to listen to certain areas of the intelligence community was a unforgivable (Clinton hurt these agencies when he gutted them also). Bush has been playing the role of sugar daddy to Israel and sub-Saharan Africa. He has shattered previous aid standards to these countries. With so many struggling now it's not exactly serving the best interest of American citizens (debt much?). He ran on the platform of "compassionate conservative", what a joke. His refusal to address the border issue after 8 years of predictable exploit is also an example of where his loyalties lie. I could go on and on about any one of these presidents/parties. My point is to consider everything. There has been a serious deficiency in leadership for decades. It hasn't always been this way. Just the majority of my lifetime.

What are Americans left with? A GWB clone and an inexperienced junior senator from Illinois.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG has a point there Lowing.  You don't like people relying on the government, yet you are one of them.

Not hardly Serge. I do not work for the govt.

I guess when I was back at the airline you could/ would say the same thing since I fell under FAA regulations. It is a weak attempt to come up with an excuse for my successes and his apparent lack of them.

I guess by your definition, a mailman is a govt. leech as well, while the welfare recipient is not, since he isn't WORKING for the govt.

Gimme break with this line of bullshit.

Let me tell you I'm happy for your success and nobody is saying you doesn't deserve what you've earned.  But your company has been awarded a contract to work for the government, right?  In a warzone, right?  And they pay your company's contract with tax money, right?  And most of these contracts are always overpaid, maybe this is not the case.  So, your pay check comes from tax money.  I don't say it's wrong, I don't say it's ok.  When you worked for the airline, it probably felt under chapter 11, right?  That isn't the same thing.

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

I have a feeling ATG will be walking away from this thread

I think not merc.

I have family here.

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:

I think not merc.

I have family here.

Well I guess you better get in what ya can, before they cut your electricity.......Or will I be paying for that as well?

You carry a side arm, Slick?

lowing wrote:

Well, now that we got THAT cleared up..........................how about addressing ALLLLLLLLL of the other people that get paid by govt. tax money or by companies that get paid by govt. tax money to pay their employees...........Quite a list of MERCENARIES" I have drawn up huh??