lawl i said they would be look minging didn't say i wouldn't screw it. After a few pints no one cares.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Says the man who admitted to screwing a grandma.m3thod wrote:
...i think all women of any race are prob minging once they hit 50.usmarine2 wrote:
until they reach 50
I absolutely agree... Pakistan is a much more radical country than Iran, and entire rural regions are run by extremists rather than the actual government. We shouldn't badger Iran so much. We should be keeping a close eye on Pakistan.God Save the Queen wrote:
we need to talk more about Pakistan and Iran. Ive got another paper due on tuesday.
heres my claim:
Pakistan is far more susceptable to state failure than Iran.
Take it apart.
ken, you ever heard of "The J Curve" ?
Yeah, I know about it but never really studied it in depth. There are other similar types of theories regarding revolution and consistent factors to gauge them.God Save the Queen wrote:
we need to talk more about Pakistan and Iran. Ive got another paper due on tuesday.
heres my claim:
Pakistan is far more susceptable to state failure than Iran.
Take it apart.
ken, you ever heard of "The J Curve" ?
I concur, Pakistan is a pyramid of playing cards waiting to collapse. Iran is somewhat moderate and progressive in cultural terms whereas Pakistan appears to be fiercely divided in its religious interpretations from region to region. Pakistan is also no angel on the extremism front, especially along its volatile border regions. Add to that the political mess in the wake of Musharraf's previous iron grip and the exciting ingredient of some nuclear weapons and you have a very interesting little cocktail.God Save the Queen wrote:
we need to talk more about Pakistan and Iran. Ive got another paper due on tuesday.
heres my claim:
Pakistan is far more susceptable to state failure than Iran.
Take it apart.
ken, you ever heard of "The J Curve" ?
MILFs are sexy!!m3thod wrote:
lawl i said they would be look minging didn't say i wouldn't screw it. After a few pints no one cares.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Says the man who admitted to screwing a grandma.m3thod wrote:
...i think all women of any race are prob minging once they hit 50.
and....she was 42 and a total milf.
what's musharraf been up to lately anyways?Braddock wrote:
I concur, Pakistan is a pyramid of playing cards waiting to collapse. Iran is somewhat moderate and progressive in cultural terms whereas Pakistan appears to be fiercely divided in its religious interpretations from region to region. Pakistan is also no angel on the extremism front, especially along its volatile border regions. Add to that the political mess in the wake of Musharraf's previous iron grip and the exciting ingredient of some nuclear weapons and you have a very interesting little cocktail.God Save the Queen wrote:
we need to talk more about Pakistan and Iran. Ive got another paper due on tuesday.
heres my claim:
Pakistan is far more susceptable to state failure than Iran.
Take it apart.
ken, you ever heard of "The J Curve" ?
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LOL, hardly "buying into Iran's propaganda". I took into his quote with my own interpretation, but yes, Hosseini was right. Why was he right? Because he basically reiterated my feelings on it.FEOS wrote:
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Where did he buy in on anything Iran saidI don't know...could it be ^^that?Poseidon wrote:
Frankly, Hosseini is right. It shows that he has little or no care about taking lives and that his "killkillkill" mindset from Vietnam is still very intact.
He clearly wasn't talking about killing anyone, he was talking about the regime.
And just how the hell would you know what his mindset in Vietnam was? You think everyone who faught in Vietnam was an indiscriminate killer?
As Bubs said, it was a joke. In no way did he imply that he wanted to kill Iranians.
Have you read Failed States by Noam Chomsky? You should if you haven't...he gives a pretty good argument for the US leaning towards becoming a failed state, where the concept of democratic institutions plays in the idea of a failed state, and how US policy is created and applied to foment more failed states.God Save the Queen wrote:
even though, as far as I know, Iran is a much closer society than Pakistan.
for anyone not familiar with it, the J Curve measures a nations stability and openess.
I believe Iran is a more closed society than Pakistan, but sometimes the more closed a society is, the better the chance that nation could withstand shock. Countries with little democtratic political culture in their history almost always resort to the military to keep the regime in control.
thats interesting. From what Ive learned, failed states occur when a number of circumstances are met, one of those being the lack of any political institutions.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Have you read Failed States by Noam Chomsky? You should if you haven't...he gives a pretty good argument for the US leaning towards becoming a failed state, where the concept of democratic institutions plays in the idea of a failed state, and how US policy is created and applied to foment more failed states.God Save the Queen wrote:
even though, as far as I know, Iran is a much closer society than Pakistan.
for anyone not familiar with it, the J Curve measures a nations stability and openess.
I believe Iran is a more closed society than Pakistan, but sometimes the more closed a society is, the better the chance that nation could withstand shock. Countries with little democtratic political culture in their history almost always resort to the military to keep the regime in control.
Well his whole outlook is that (speaking about the US) democratic institutions are proffered and maintained by the elite and rarely reflect the true wishes of the public, and our supposed push for democracy abroad consistently hurts other nations' real attempts at more democratic societies. He also offers up the idea that the political elite in the U.S. actually want many places to become failed states because it is easier to manipulate those regions.God Save the Queen wrote:
thats interesting. From what Ive learned, failed states occur when a number of circumstances are met, one of those being the lack of any political institutions.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Have you read Failed States by Noam Chomsky? You should if you haven't...he gives a pretty good argument for the US leaning towards becoming a failed state, where the concept of democratic institutions plays in the idea of a failed state, and how US policy is created and applied to foment more failed states.God Save the Queen wrote:
even though, as far as I know, Iran is a much closer society than Pakistan.
for anyone not familiar with it, the J Curve measures a nations stability and openess.
I believe Iran is a more closed society than Pakistan, but sometimes the more closed a society is, the better the chance that nation could withstand shock. Countries with little democtratic political culture in their history almost always resort to the military to keep the regime in control.
He's now president apparently...Putin style deal I think. Ever since Bhutto bit the bullet there hasn't been a whole lot of news coverage here in Europe and sometimes no news isn't always good news.God Save the Queen wrote:
what's musharraf been up to lately anyways?Braddock wrote:
I concur, Pakistan is a pyramid of playing cards waiting to collapse. Iran is somewhat moderate and progressive in cultural terms whereas Pakistan appears to be fiercely divided in its religious interpretations from region to region. Pakistan is also no angel on the extremism front, especially along its volatile border regions. Add to that the political mess in the wake of Musharraf's previous iron grip and the exciting ingredient of some nuclear weapons and you have a very interesting little cocktail.God Save the Queen wrote:
we need to talk more about Pakistan and Iran. Ive got another paper due on tuesday.
heres my claim:
Pakistan is far more susceptable to state failure than Iran.
Take it apart.
ken, you ever heard of "The J Curve" ?
have a feeling a lot of fucked up shit is happening in pakistan right now because the news barely talks about it.
If you think Hosseini was right, you really need to pull back and look at things a bit more objectively.Poseidon wrote:
LOL, hardly "buying into Iran's propaganda". I took into his quote with my own interpretation, but yes, Hosseini was right. Why was he right? Because he basically reiterated my feelings on it.FEOS wrote:
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Where did he buy in on anything Iran saidI don't know...could it be ^^that?Poseidon wrote:
Frankly, Hosseini is right. It shows that he has little or no care about taking lives and that his "killkillkill" mindset from Vietnam is still very intact.
He clearly wasn't talking about killing anyone, he was talking about the regime.
And just how the hell would you know what his mindset in Vietnam was? You think everyone who faught in Vietnam was an indiscriminate killer?
As Bubs said, it was a joke. In no way did he imply that he wanted to kill Iranians.
He was a soldier in a vicious war, shot down in his plane and tortured...it doesn't matter which war he was in. I'm not saying every soldier in every war has that, but he's already said he'd like to bomb Iran as a so called "joke". Not exactly your peace loving guy.
Ok, he doesn't want to kill them himself, he just wants them dead? Is that a good way of putting it in Republican-land?
So because I agree with him on the most miniscule thing, I'm buying into his propaganda? Lol, ok..FEOS wrote:
If you think Hosseini was right, you really need to pull back and look at things a bit more objectively.Poseidon wrote:
LOL, hardly "buying into Iran's propaganda". I took into his quote with my own interpretation, but yes, Hosseini was right. Why was he right? Because he basically reiterated my feelings on it.FEOS wrote:
I don't know...could it be ^^that?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Where did he buy in on anything Iran said
He clearly wasn't talking about killing anyone, he was talking about the regime.
And just how the hell would you know what his mindset in Vietnam was? You think everyone who faught in Vietnam was an indiscriminate killer?
As Bubs said, it was a joke. In no way did he imply that he wanted to kill Iranians.
He was a soldier in a vicious war, shot down in his plane and tortured...it doesn't matter which war he was in. I'm not saying every soldier in every war has that, but he's already said he'd like to bomb Iran as a so called "joke". Not exactly your peace loving guy.
Ok, he doesn't want to kill them himself, he just wants them dead? Is that a good way of putting it in Republican-land?
You are reading WAY TOO MUCH into a coarse sense of humor. Was it an inappropriate thing to say? Of course. Did he mean he wanted to "indiscriminately kill Iranians"? Nope.
He never said he wanted anyone dead. And perhaps if you put it that way in your Whateveryourpoliticsare-land, you'd be able to look at things a bit more objectively.
I would hardly characterize agreeing that his comment referred to indiscriminately killing Iranians as "miniscule".Poseidon wrote:
So because I agree with him on the most miniscule thing, I'm buying into his propaganda? Lol, ok..
You can not have that type of "humor" in a time where tensions with Iran are at it's highest.
Bahaha. Ok. When do I get labeled as a terrorist? Do I get to sign up or what?FEOS wrote:
I would hardly characterize agreeing that his comment referred to indiscriminately killing Iranians as "miniscule".Poseidon wrote:
So because I agree with him on the most miniscule thing, I'm buying into his propaganda? Lol, ok..
You can not have that type of "humor" in a time where tensions with Iran are at it's highest.
Don't overreact.Poseidon wrote:
Bahaha. Ok. When do I get labeled as a terrorist? Do I get to sign up or what?FEOS wrote:
I would hardly characterize agreeing that his comment referred to indiscriminately killing Iranians as "miniscule".Poseidon wrote:
So because I agree with him on the most miniscule thing, I'm buying into his propaganda? Lol, ok..
You can not have that type of "humor" in a time where tensions with Iran are at it's highest.
How exactly is that not miniscule? Compared to everything else, I'd say it is.
Don't know...it would be different, as McCain's remark wasn't about killing Iranians.Braddock wrote:
I just wonder what the American media would say if Mahmoud Imadinnerjacket had made an off the cuff remark about killing Americans?
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FEOS wrote:
Don't know...it would be different, as McCain's remark wasn't about killing Iranians.Braddock wrote:
I just wonder what the American media would say if Mahmoud Imadinnerjacket had made an off the cuff remark about killing Americans?
John McCain wrote:
Maybe that's a way of killing 'em
