You don't need to pave it to turn it into a giant wind farmusmarine2 wrote:
pave it and turn it into a giant wind farm tbh. I mean that.
Fixed, and qftusmarine2 wrote:
pave it and turn it into a giant solar farm tbh. I mean that.
need some way to get the equipment and maintenance crews to the generators.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
You don't need to pave it to turn it into a giant wind farmusmarine2 wrote:
pave it and turn it into a giant wind farm tbh. I mean that.
I knew a girl from Uganda that knew 6 different languages.
Myers is generalising wildly on the basis of the most crackpot of nations, but having said that - Africa has some very real issues regarding birth control, sustainability, political development and responsibility for itself.God Save the Queen wrote:
I knew a girl from Uganda that knew 6 different languages.
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but it also has a ridiculous amount of resources vital for the modern world.
sorry cam, it just seems to me that what this guy writes could just as easibly be an argument for imperialism 150 hundred years ago.
Very true, but looking at the state of Zimbabwe, maybe Europe should reconquer the less stable countries in Africa. Their self-rule is rather pathetic in many cases.God Save the Queen wrote:
sorry cam, it just seems to me that what this guy writes could just as easibly be an argument for imperialism 150 hundred years ago.
Granted, I wouldn't want America to burden itself with colonization.
I took the opposite impression - one of 'we shouldn't bother wasting our money on Africa, it's time for them to get their act together' rather than one of imperialist ambition. What gave you that particular impression?God Save the Queen wrote:
sorry cam, it just seems to me that what this guy writes could just as easibly be an argument for imperialism 150 hundred years ago.
because there is too much profit to be made from a conquered africa than one that is ignored. there will always be an interest in what africa has to offer financially.
The thing that gets me is the wanton money-lust of the parties involved. Things like Darwin's Nightmare happen all over the continent.God Save the Queen wrote:
because there is too much profit to be made from a conquered africa than one that is ignored. there will always be an interest in what africa has to offer financially.
Africa sucks
Malloy must go
I agree, and give all the guys there jobs operating aforementioned wind farm.usmarine2 wrote:
pave it and turn it into a giant wind farm tbh. I mean that.
You ain't gonna job a rebellion if you got a job.
The article would be easier to digest if I didn't have to cut through his obnoxious rhetoric in order to get to the source of his grievance.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
The gist is we saved their arses once and they just bred like rabbits, gave nothing back but AIDS and terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
The article would be easier to digest if I didn't have to cut through his obnoxious rhetoric in order to get to the source of his grievance.
Good lite reading.
Why? The US already has several colonies, more wouldn't matter.Turquoise wrote:
Very true, but looking at the state of Zimbabwe, maybe Europe should reconquer the less stable countries in Africa. Their self-rule is rather pathetic in many cases.God Save the Queen wrote:
sorry cam, it just seems to me that what this guy writes could just as easibly be an argument for imperialism 150 hundred years ago.
Granted, I wouldn't want America to burden itself with colonization.
And we have doubled our aid there in the last 8 years.ATG wrote:
The gist is we saved their arses once and they just bred like rabbits, gave nothing back but AIDS and terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
The article would be easier to digest if I didn't have to cut through his obnoxious rhetoric in order to get to the source of his grievance.
Good lite reading.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Interesting viewpoints here. imho, there's no need for reconquering - too much effort and its makes everyone look bad - just stop the food aid and let them learn to survive on their own.
Through foreign investment in infrastructure, natural resources etc, but without just giving everyone a free lunch Africa should find its own feet in the long run. They seem like a collective bunch of dole-collectors awaiting payment every month and in the mean time killing and raping each other. It's the old idiom : Give a man a fish and he is fed for the day, Teach a man to fish and he is fed for his whole life.
Through foreign investment in infrastructure, natural resources etc, but without just giving everyone a free lunch Africa should find its own feet in the long run. They seem like a collective bunch of dole-collectors awaiting payment every month and in the mean time killing and raping each other. It's the old idiom : Give a man a fish and he is fed for the day, Teach a man to fish and he is fed for his whole life.
Iraq is our biggest and most expensive colony. It hasn't worked out so well.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Why? The US already has several colonies, more wouldn't matter.Turquoise wrote:
Very true, but looking at the state of Zimbabwe, maybe Europe should reconquer the less stable countries in Africa. Their self-rule is rather pathetic in many cases.God Save the Queen wrote:
sorry cam, it just seems to me that what this guy writes could just as easibly be an argument for imperialism 150 hundred years ago.
Granted, I wouldn't want America to burden itself with colonization.
http://savecivilization.org/?page_id=143Braddock wrote:
I didn't know lowing wrote for the Independent.
But seriously Africa is a big shit sandwich and it's an interesting conundrum to ponder as a Westerner. One argument that might be made is similar to that of the African American population in relation to the manifold social problem Stateside - who knows what position they might be in if it weren't for the injustices foisted upon them by the exploitative Western world? But, as is my opinion in relation to the African American debate, while the past might be a contributing factor it is certainly not an excuse. The various African colonies have had many years out on their own now and they just can't seem to get their shit together. Each leader who comes to power only ever seems to think in the present tense and usually only in terms of their own personal gain. One thing the West does still carry the blame for however is its facilitating of some of these corrupt regimes.
What Africa needs most is serious improvement in education, especially regarding contraception and ridiculous superstition.
Where is Darfur again? Nehhhhhhhhhhh, couldn't be...........but still.............................nehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Good man lowing, I see you have your Islamovision goggles on again. Are you seriously going to blame the problems of Africa on Islam? Please go down that road and see how far you get.lowing wrote:
http://savecivilization.org/?page_id=143Braddock wrote:
I didn't know lowing wrote for the Independent.
But seriously Africa is a big shit sandwich and it's an interesting conundrum to ponder as a Westerner. One argument that might be made is similar to that of the African American population in relation to the manifold social problem Stateside - who knows what position they might be in if it weren't for the injustices foisted upon them by the exploitative Western world? But, as is my opinion in relation to the African American debate, while the past might be a contributing factor it is certainly not an excuse. The various African colonies have had many years out on their own now and they just can't seem to get their shit together. Each leader who comes to power only ever seems to think in the present tense and usually only in terms of their own personal gain. One thing the West does still carry the blame for however is its facilitating of some of these corrupt regimes.
What Africa needs most is serious improvement in education, especially regarding contraception and ridiculous superstition.
Where is Darfur again? Nehhhhhhhhhhh, couldn't be...........but still.............................nehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Kinda funny how all the worlds hot spots center around Islamic majority countries and regions.................Nehhhhhhhhhh, just a coincidence I am sure, doesn't mean a thing.Braddock wrote:
Good man lowing, I see you have your Islamovision goggles on again. Are you seriously going to blame the problems of Africa on Islam? Please go down that road and see how far you get.lowing wrote:
http://savecivilization.org/?page_id=143Braddock wrote:
I didn't know lowing wrote for the Independent.
But seriously Africa is a big shit sandwich and it's an interesting conundrum to ponder as a Westerner. One argument that might be made is similar to that of the African American population in relation to the manifold social problem Stateside - who knows what position they might be in if it weren't for the injustices foisted upon them by the exploitative Western world? But, as is my opinion in relation to the African American debate, while the past might be a contributing factor it is certainly not an excuse. The various African colonies have had many years out on their own now and they just can't seem to get their shit together. Each leader who comes to power only ever seems to think in the present tense and usually only in terms of their own personal gain. One thing the West does still carry the blame for however is its facilitating of some of these corrupt regimes.
What Africa needs most is serious improvement in education, especially regarding contraception and ridiculous superstition.
Where is Darfur again? Nehhhhhhhhhhh, couldn't be...........but still.............................nehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Also Braddock, IF that were the road I chose to go down, it will go as far as I CHOOSE to take it.
Zimbabwe: Christianlowing wrote:
Kinda funny how all the worlds hot spots center around Islamic majority countries and regions.................Nehhhhhhhhhh, just a coincidence I am sure, doesn't mean a thing.
Also Braddock, IF that were the road I chose to go down, it will go as far as I CHOOSE to take it.
Ethiopia: Christian
Congo: Christian
Liberia: Christian/Indigenous
Rwanda: Christian
Take the goggles off for at least one thread.
Not really 'that funny' seeing as 'all the worlds hot spots' DO NOT center around Islamic majority countries. What a ludicrous claim. You're beginning to sound rabidly irrational bordering on the OCD.
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He has a point. Although there is plenty of other measures the world should be taking.
Firstly. Stop trading with African dictators. The content is full of them. All creaming their countries wealth a natural resources. Handing the profits to the rich often military leaders. Can we not do an "Iraqi"? And remove the evil dictators who's policies and regime have killed many times more people that Saddam ever did?
Second. Open up trade with the proven democratic nations only. US and EU need to stop subsidising farmers and dive head first into the globalized world market they have created but have not followed through with. Africa has the people, the land and the resources. Cotton and Sugar production along with the people who farm it ,in Africa are directly linked to US and EU home production which is heavily subsidised.
Firstly. Stop trading with African dictators. The content is full of them. All creaming their countries wealth a natural resources. Handing the profits to the rich often military leaders. Can we not do an "Iraqi"? And remove the evil dictators who's policies and regime have killed many times more people that Saddam ever did?
Second. Open up trade with the proven democratic nations only. US and EU need to stop subsidising farmers and dive head first into the globalized world market they have created but have not followed through with. Africa has the people, the land and the resources. Cotton and Sugar production along with the people who farm it ,in Africa are directly linked to US and EU home production which is heavily subsidised.
We could cancel the debt owed by by poor African nations. There's absolultely bugger all hope of them sorting themselves out with a huge chunk of their GDP being sent back to Europe and America. Plenty of the debt was incurred by dictators and un-democratic governments, so it's entirely unjustified to hold the populace to account for the debts amassed by the forces that were opressing them.
Aid to africa is significantly less than the interest paid on third world debts, so we really don't bleed money into Africa at all, they bleed money to the west.
Aid to africa is significantly less than the interest paid on third world debts, so we really don't bleed money into Africa at all, they bleed money to the west.