ATG
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Full text of bill.

When the leaders of nations decide it's time for war they usually don't start pushing buttons and dropping bombs, right away.


No.
What you get  first is a lot of Whereas followed by double speak and lies ( the part where it says;
nothing in this resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use of force against Iran: Now, therefore, be it "
Followed by a series of actions that do not involve guns and bombs, but are certainly guaranteed to assure that they are going to be used.

Important to note, it seems given how fucking serious this is that this bill was introduced by a Jewish Democrat, and the cosponsors.

This is it ladies. This is where the war with Iran starts legally.

For the lazy bastards to busy too busy to read the whole thing, here's where the metal meets the meat;
   
Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That Congress--

            (1) declares that preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability, through all appropriate economic, political, and diplomatic means, is vital to the national security interests of the United States and must be dealt with urgently;

            (2) urges the President, in the strongest of terms, to immediately use his existing authority to impose sanctions on--

                  (A) the Central Bank of Iran and any other Iranian bank engaged in proliferation activities or the support of terrorist groups;

                  (B) international banks which continue to conduct financial transactions with proscribed Iranian banks;

                  (C) energy companies that have invested $20,000,000 or more in the Iranian petroleum or natural gas sector in any given year since the enactment of the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996; and

                  (D) all companies which continue to do business with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps;

            (3) demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program; and

            (4) urges the President to lead a sustained, serious, and forceful effort at regional diplomacy to support the legitimate governments in the region against Iranian efforts to destabilize them, to reassure our friends and allies that the United States supports them in their resistance to Iranian efforts at hegemony, and to make clear to the Government of Iran that the United States will protect America's vital national security interests in the Middle East.
The above actions, if approved ( see the list of 220 cosponsors. )  will result in not only a military conflict, but a financial one because many banks owned by foreign companies and government interests are guilty in the above mention legal-speak.

Get mentally ready for it, I guess. Gasoline will double again. More troop deaths. More uncharted billions.
This guy seems to be a drooling leftist idiot...or is he?



d4rkst4r
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Its what the Zionist dickhead leaders in America want.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
Flecco
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All I can say is holy shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeet.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Kmar
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Big deal. The United States is still at war with Germany.
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God Save the Queen
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Commie Killer
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Nice add at bottom of the page, anyways, Im gonna take a wild guess and say that the Third Reich broke up before they surrendered, as only the Wehrmacht laid down their arms. Cause if I remember correctly, V-E Day was when the Wehrmacht surrendered, not the government.
God Save the Queen
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this is the first Ive ever heard that.  I know a state of war still exists between north and south korea though.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-13 16:48:24)

Kmar
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We have never signed a formal peace treaty.
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ATG
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God Save the Queen wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_With_Respect_to_Germany
Only took until 1994?
Kmar
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God Save the Queen wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_With_Respect_to_Germany
That is not a formal peace treaty. Go look again.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_h … i_n7674801
http://media.putfile.com/At-war-with-Germany
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_With_Respect_to_Germany
That is not a formal peace treaty. Go look again.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_h … i_n7674801
http://media.putfile.com/At-war-with-Germany
Once the two Germanies have meshed, why should future German governments not station their troops wherever they like on German soil? Why should they not manufacture weapons of whatever category they like, including nuclear ones, for their own self-defence and sell them to whomever they like?
Proof.

If we bomb the bejesus out of Iran soon or later they will sit around asking why they can't have nukes.

And meanwhile;


Afghanistan; 9 dead 15 wounded U.S. Troops


http://apnews.myway.com/image/20080713/ … =D91T752O0

Last edited by ATG (2008-07-13 17:28:55)

usmarine2
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Kmarion wrote:

Big deal. The United States is still at war with Germany.
or irak
FEOS
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I saw a lot of political, economic, and diplomatic. Didn't see a single mention of military in that part you posted. Was it elsewhere in the body of the document?

I'd say that the fact that it specifically DID NOT include the military element of national power (the other three being diplomacy, information (ie, politics), and economic) is very telling.
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Obviously bills gotta pass and we all know how likely that is to happen.
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ATG
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FEOS wrote:

I saw a lot of political, economic, and diplomatic. Didn't see a single mention of military in that part you posted. Was it elsewhere in the body of the document?

I'd say that the fact that it specifically DID NOT include the military element of national power (the other three being diplomacy, information (ie, politics), and economic) is very telling.
How do you get these things done without guns;

immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program; and
Kmar
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ATG wrote:

How do you get these things done without guns;
Ask the N.Koreans?
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

How do you get these things done without guns;
Ask the N.Koreans?
Did we...um...have a naval blockade on NK, Boss?

" on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran "

Last edited by ATG (2008-07-13 18:57:20)

FEOS
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ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

How do you get these things done without guns;
Ask the N.Koreans?
Did we...um...have a naval blockade on NK, Boss?

" on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran "
That's not saying "install a naval blockade".

Basically, all that bill says is to cooperate fully with UN sanctions on Iran.

And yes, in order for any type of pressure to work, there has to be a military capability to back it up in case those other methods don't work. But that doesn't mean that it will be used. It merely puts one in an advantageous negotiating position.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-07-14 02:03:16)

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Kmar
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ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

How do you get these things done without guns;
Ask the N.Koreans?
Did we...um...have a naval blockade on NK, Boss?

" on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran "
We did with the Soviets. Another example of getting things done without guns. I suggest you look up the meaning of blockade.

The words "blockade, military, and war" only appear in your colorful commentary. Whereas the word diplomatic is actually written 5 times in the bill.

Sincerely, Boss
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ATG
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While a naval blockade may be seen as acceptable to US politicians, it constitutes an act of war for Iran and will lawfully justify a response from Tehran.

The Western media will then plaster the headline America under attack! on the front page of all newspapers; Washington will portray Iran's defense as an act of aggression and will easily manage to convince Americans that a swift victory is achievable by waging all-out war on the country under the pretext of the War on Terror.


cp
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Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Ask the N.Koreans?
Did we...um...have a naval blockade on NK, Boss?

" on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran "
We did with the Soviets. Another example of getting things done without guns. I suggest you look up the meaning of blockade.
The USA & USSR instead used proxy wars and supplied the guns to others. Iraqi, Iran, Afghanistan all played a part in USA/Soviet Proxy wars. Hence the current mess that is the ME.

@OP.
I don't read anything in there about military action. The fact it isn't mentioned at all would led me to believe that this is the "well, we tried everything else" card which will be pulled when the first bombs drop.

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-07-15 06:50:51)

IRONCHEF
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Cool, let's keep provoking them to nuke one of our cities!  Weee!! it's fun to play "tough-guy diplomat!"

lol @ ad "Meet Single Iranians HERE!"
Kmar
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ATG wrote:

While a naval blockade may be seen as acceptable to US politicians, it constitutes an act of war for Iran and will lawfully justify a response from Tehran.

The Western media will then plaster the headline America under attack! on the front page of all newspapers; Washington will portray Iran's defense as an act of aggression and will easily manage to convince Americans that a swift victory is achievable by waging all-out war on the country under the pretext of the War on Terror.


cp
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

While a naval blockade may be seen as acceptable to US politicians, it constitutes an act of war for Iran and will lawfully justify a response from Tehran.

The Western media will then plaster the headline America under attack! on the front page of all newspapers; Washington will portray Iran's defense as an act of aggression and will easily manage to convince Americans that a swift victory is achievable by waging all-out war on the country under the pretext of the War on Terror.


cp
Let me help you out.. "inspection". k
lemme help ye back Sai;

ten years ago or so...
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