Kmar
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Pug wrote:

I think "Both" is the answer Ken.

All the oil we have now was developed, and if you look around, we're not ready for oil alternatives.  So oil development will help three years from now.  Given what's happening now, I think most people are thinking about getting away from oil.

The problem is most people WANT to drill (there was a poll somewhere recently about this) rather than develop alternative fuel sources.  Why do people think this way?  Because right now we don't have the technology or infrastructure to be without oil.  So there is no alternative until it's developed.

More oil in the short run will help us get to the long run.
I agree. It's about sending a message. The message that the United States is serious about getting off that Saudi Sauce will in turn affect the international investors attitude. It will force them today to rethink how much they invest into futures. Bush officially lifting the long standing ban is one way of conveying that message. Passing new fuel standards and offering other incentives for using various alternative fuels was another.
Yea... Too bad the Congress has to vote on it now.

Game over. Thank you for playing.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/13/ … index.html
how the hell are these clowns at 9%?
Well, to be fair. It was Bush senior that issued the first ban.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7095|Canberra, AUS
I still don't see that there's any real way of bringing prices down at all.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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There are two ways to bring down prices: Reduce demand, and increase supply.
Kmar
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Damn: Down to $134.60
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fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6911|Menlo Park, CA

CameronPoe wrote:

What's the big deal about tapping your natural resources?
I agree, harvesting your own natual resources shouldnt be a a big deal should it! One would think!

Yet our government was led by a democrap congress 4eva and wouldnt sign bills to drill on our own soil. . . . Hence the mess we are in today!

We havent drilled on our soil in 40 fucking years, what do you expect??? Oil to fall from the sky and save our economy?? Silly liberals and their bullshit enviornmental policies. . . .
imortal
Member
+240|7085|Austin, TX

CameronPoe wrote:

I hate to break it to you guys but it ain't going to make a shit of a difference - from the Energy Information Administration branch of the US government:

"With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices.  Relative to the AEO2008 reference case, ANWR oil production is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light (LSL) crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 in the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 in the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 in the high oil resource case.  Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."
Bush Says Drill, Drill, Drill — And Oil Drops $9!

Larry Kudlow wrote:

In a dramatic move yesterday President Bush removed the executive-branch moratorium on offshore drilling. Today, at a news conference, Bush repeated his new position, and slammed the Democratic Congress for not removing the congressional moratorium on the Outer Continental Shelf and elsewhere. Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking, bringing the barrel price down to $136.

Now isn’t this interesting?

Democrats keep saying that it will take 10 years or longer to produce oil from the offshore areas. And they say that oil prices won’t decline for at least that long. And they, along with Obama and McCain, bash so-called oil speculators. And today we had a real-world example as to why they are wrong. All of them. Reid, Pelosi, Obama, McCain — all of them.

Traders took a look at a feisty and aggressive George Bush and started selling the market well before a single new drop of oil has been lifted. What does this tell us? Well, if Congress moves to seal the deal, oil prices will probably keep on falling. That’s the way traders work. They discount the future. Psychology and expectations can turn on a dime.

The congressional ban on offshore drilling expires September 30, so that becomes a key date. A new report from Wall Street research house Sanford C. Bernstein says that California actually could start producing new oil within one year if the moratorium were lifted. The California oil is under shallow water and already has been explored. Drilling platforms have been in place since before the moratorium. They’re talking about 10 billion barrels worth off the coast of California.

There’s also a “gang of 10” in the Senate, five Republicans and five Democrats, that is trying to work a compromise deal on lifting the moratorium. So it’s possible a lot of action on this front could occur much sooner than people seem to think.

So I repeat: Drill, drill, drill. Deregulate, decontrol, and unleash the American energy industry. Those hated traders will then keep selling oil as the laws of supply and demand and free markets keep working.

Bravo for Bush. Bravo for the traders.
KEN-JENNINGS
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The fact that no drilling has occur ed is further evidence (to me) that oil futures speculations are having far too much of an impact on gas prices, if indeed the idea of drilling offshore is the contributing factor to the drop in price of a barrel of oil.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-07-17 12:27:12)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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I personally think much of the reason drilling or harvesting natural resources has been so limited is because the industries that do this don't want to be heavily regulated on environmental quality.  If we tell them they can harvest, but must meet strict environmental standards, they whine that it costs too much.

Harvesting resources at the expense of air you can't breath, water you can't drink, and animals that can't be eaten because mercury, or other contaminants are too high for safe consumption, is unacceptable.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The fact that no drilling has occur ed is further evidence (to me) that oil futures speculations are having far too much of an impact on gas prices, if indeed the idea of drilling offshore is the contributing factor to the drop in price of a barrel of oil.
They sold off on the word drill. They buy and sell on futures. There is absolutely no shortage in oil now. That is why you see all of these contracts going "untapped".
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imortal
Member
+240|7085|Austin, TX

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The fact that no drilling has occur ed is further evidence (to me) that oil futures speculations are having far too much of an impact on gas prices, if indeed the idea of drilling offshore is the contributing factor to the drop in price of a barrel of oil.
I agree.  However, drilling will also be good, because the demand IS going up.  Because the US does rely too much on foreign oil.  Yes, we need to become more energy indipendent.  Yes, we need to use more 'clean' energy sources.  But we can do all of those. 

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

I personally think much of the reason drilling or harvesting natural resources has been so limited is because the industries that do this don't want to be heavily regulated on environmental quality.  If we tell them they can harvest, but must meet strict environmental standards, they whine that it costs too much.

Harvesting resources at the expense of air you can't breath, water you can't drink, and animals that can't be eaten because mercury, or other contaminants are too high for safe consumption, is unacceptable.
Agree, but it hasn't been the decsision of the coorperations.  The left wing hippee tree huggers have fought tooth and nail any new oil refinery or nuclear power plant here in the US for decades.

Designs and construction techniques have progressed.  The ideas, goals, and misconceptions of the "Progressive" left have not.
Kmar
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+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

Dems cracking on oil exploration? Reid attempted a compromise with Senate Republicans by offering expanded leases in the Gulf of Mexico and a billion acres off the Alaskan coast for new studies. That prompted a fierce backlash from Democrats in the Senate and House, including Nancy Pelosi.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rei … 07-28.html

$122.19 a barrel now
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Kmar
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+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

$119.70
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