yeah probably so, over here our criminals are usually armed.......Knowing our law abiding citizens are armed it would be crazy to try and infringe on them without a weapon.CameronPoe wrote:
I think America is a far more risky place than Europe owing to the gun laws. Perhaps there is a real difference here and we are arguing over oranges and apples. In Europe the likelihood of an intruder carrying a firearm is negligibly miniscule, as such the risk to the homeowner is likewise negligible and the concept of taking the intruder's life over a bit of property seems barbaric. In the US the same cannot be said. As such we are probably arguing apples and oranges.lowing wrote:
A sword??!!, Well my God, if given the choice I would rather be shot!!
A home invader, IS considered a life threatening situation Cam, hence the self defence laws, not many are willing to wait for an interview t ofind out if he is armed or what he intends to take, before deciding if they just wanna go back to bed or not.
The thoughts of murder or manslaughter charges for defending my family IN MY HOME is such an alien notion to me, that it is incomprehensible.CameronPoe wrote:
Probably manslaughter. But check my previous post.lowing wrote:
ever hear of the femoral artery? People have been known to bleed to death from gun shot wounds Cam. So I guess if that were to happen to a home invader threatening your family, you should be brought up on murder charges
Can you back that up with any facts or is that just another generalization you used to justify your trigger happy gunslinging?lowing wrote:
yeah probably so, over here our criminals are usually armed........
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At the very least lowing should aim to maim not to kill. To revel in taking someone's life, perhaps not even necessarily, is distasteful to say the least. Maybe it's just me and my Christian upbringing.Spearhead wrote:
Can you back that up with any facts or is that just another generalization you used to justify your trigger happy gunslinging?lowing wrote:
yeah probably so, over here our criminals are usually armed........
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OP - Have him prosecuted and let the courts decide.
Why does Lowing have this desire to be a sword of Damocles wielding Judge Judy?
Most countries have police, courts prison etc. Let them take the strain
If you don't like how they work, are unhappy about the open border policy providing cheap labour, run for President.
As we know the only potential obstacle standing between starting as an embryo and being elected President is your own work ethic so what are you waiting for?
Why does Lowing have this desire to be a sword of Damocles wielding Judge Judy?
Most countries have police, courts prison etc. Let them take the strain
If you don't like how they work, are unhappy about the open border policy providing cheap labour, run for President.
As we know the only potential obstacle standing between starting as an embryo and being elected President is your own work ethic so what are you waiting for?
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Fuck Israel
"Holden says that she was initally angry and felt violated but is happy to know that the justice system is working."
Doesn't justify killing him. Its squatting, which goes on here all the time. In fact squatters have right in this country. I know a guy who squatted a house in London for 10 years. When 10 years passed it was legally his and he sold it for a million pounds and blew the lot of standing at random elections. Nutter.lowing wrote:
http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/25452059.html
I hate that this guy was not shot and was able to enter the legal system.
Whatcha think he will get? a year? then paroled in 6 months?
If I had come home and found him in my house. I would probably break his legs badly so he can't walk straight again. But I wouldn't kill him.
I don't think possession's justify taking someones life.
Does it really even matter? An intruder has broken into your home while you and your kids were sleeping..........Does anything else even matter?Spearhead wrote:
Can you back that up with any facts or is that just another generalization you used to justify your trigger happy gunslinging?lowing wrote:
yeah probably so, over here our criminals are usually armed........
By the way, you STILL didn't answerthe question, are YOU a home owner with a family to protect?
Never said anything about enjoying it Cam, I said I would do whatever i would have to to try and protect my family, up and including killing the fucker.CameronPoe wrote:
At the very least lowing should aim to maim not to kill. To revel in taking someone's life, perhaps not even necessarily, is distasteful to say the least. Maybe it's just me and my Christian upbringing.Spearhead wrote:
Can you back that up with any facts or is that just another generalization you used to justify your trigger happy gunslinging?lowing wrote:
yeah probably so, over here our criminals are usually armed........
ya sure thing, I will go to the back room awaken the judge and the attorneys, while my wife goes up stairs and awakens the police. Meanwhile my kids will go into the kitchen and fetch us all some lemonade.Dilbert_X wrote:
OP - Have him prosecuted and let the courts decide.
Why does Lowing have this desire to be a sword of Damocles wielding Judge Judy?
Most countries have police, courts prison etc. Let them take the strain
If you don't like how they work, are unhappy about the open border policy providing cheap labour, run for President.
As we know the only potential obstacle standing between starting as an embryo and being elected President is your own work ethic so what are you waiting for?
No one was in the house, no one was attacked, they came home and found their house a mess.
Either you lack the skill to read as soon as your self-righteousness kicks in or you deliberately ignore the facts to have a lame excuse for your wild west attitude.
This whole "they enter my home, I am allowed to shoot them" is disgusting. I do not see any justified act of self-defence in killing another human for simply being in the wrong place not threatening anyone.
And even if a several hundred years old sheet of paper gives you the right to do so, one should have the necessary brain matter to come to the conclusion that the right to do so does not command him to do it regardless of circumstances.
To speak in your own language, this is what should separate the constitution of a free and democratic nation from a fundamentalistic one under Sharia law.
Either you lack the skill to read as soon as your self-righteousness kicks in or you deliberately ignore the facts to have a lame excuse for your wild west attitude.
This whole "they enter my home, I am allowed to shoot them" is disgusting. I do not see any justified act of self-defence in killing another human for simply being in the wrong place not threatening anyone.
And even if a several hundred years old sheet of paper gives you the right to do so, one should have the necessary brain matter to come to the conclusion that the right to do so does not command him to do it regardless of circumstances.
To speak in your own language, this is what should separate the constitution of a free and democratic nation from a fundamentalistic one under Sharia law.
I don't see why you are so opposed to Shariah law lowing, I'd imagine it's the kind of crime and punishment system you'd have a real hard on for.lowing wrote:
Good suggestions, but I still think you are being to lenient to this piece of shit. stop trying to get on my good side with this stuff.
Lol, it's pretty funny. Trial and prison will do it.
Reciprocity wrote:
start by making him clean up the fucking mess.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Someone broke into my Ex's house lastweek while she was out, her sister was babysitting my son. They stole her car and run someone over before abandoning it. The police will never catch them. But good old fashion citizen Justice is already in effect. My dad said something to this effect "someone was in my grandsons house while he was sleeping, they are fucked, I know a particularly nasty man........." So there are a few groups of hoods live and congregate close to were the car was abandoned. This guy hung a few of them off them off a bridge and broke a few noses.(his words) Now we know who they are. They have been contacted. They have one week to come up with the money for the car............or well, they are fucked.
Note to lowing: that scenario has nothing to do with the OP. Don't shift goalposts. This was essentially squatting, not sneaking in under cover of night. There wasn't even anyone in the house. At least be consistent.lowing wrote:
An intruder has broken into your home while you and your kids were sleeping..........Does anything else even matter?
Justice Northern Ireland style...they don't mess about!JahManRed wrote:
Someone broke into my Ex's house lastweek while she was out, her sister was babysitting my son. They stole her car and run someone over before abandoning it. The police will never catch them. But good old fashion citizen Justice is already in effect. My dad said something to this effect "someone was in my grandsons house while he was sleeping, they are fucked, I know a particularly nasty man........." So there are a few groups of hoods live and congregate close to were the car was abandoned. This guy hung a few of them off them off a bridge and broke a few noses.(his words) Now we know who they are. They have been contacted. They have one week to come up with the money for the car............or well, they are fucked.
You're forgetting that lowing only deals in absolutes...someone breaking into your home under cover of night with a bazooka while you, your wife and your haemophiliac baby sleep upstairs is the same as someone sneaking into your kitchen during the day while you're out shopping to steal some food off the kitchen table.CameronPoe wrote:
Note to lowing: that scenario has nothing to do with the OP. Don't shift goalposts. This was essentially squatting, not sneaking in under cover of night. There wasn't even anyone in the house. At least be consistent.lowing wrote:
An intruder has broken into your home while you and your kids were sleeping..........Does anything else even matter?
I read the posts and had lolz. This dude is in jail... someone will make "pretty boy" his bitch and that will be that. Actually, the courts should make the little fucker clean up the house under armed guard.
I do find it funny that no one mentioned what those people likely had to deal with after all this... clean up costs, final damage assessments, etc. Everyone is fixated on the perp and not the people effected by nublett's actions.... yep, just the audience the media plays to these days.
I do find it funny that no one mentioned what those people likely had to deal with after all this... clean up costs, final damage assessments, etc. Everyone is fixated on the perp and not the people effected by nublett's actions.... yep, just the audience the media plays to these days.
Strap him in a bath tub naked filled with vineager and throw a cat in his lap. Anyone who has ever tried to give a cat a bath knows the wrath of those damn claws.
Malloy must go
Didn't read too hard then. A few of us mentioned him cleaning up.ReTox wrote:
I read the posts and had lolz. This dude is in jail... someone will make "pretty boy" his bitch and that will be that. Actually, the courts should make the little fucker clean up the house under armed guard.
I do find it funny that no one mentioned what those people likely had to deal with after all this... clean up costs, final damage assessments, etc. Everyone is fixated on the perp and not the people effected by nublett's actions.... yep, just the audience the media plays to these days.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
more like, old testament style.CameronPoe wrote:
Stoning in a public square or cut his hands off - Saudi style.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Drown him. Then burn him at the stake. Then he should get drawn and quartered. Maybe some flogs and an old-fashioned stoning to boot?
The fact that he's doing time i.e., being punished for his crime under the letter of the law, without the need for anyone to die should essentially make this story one of... meh. Isn't the situation where nobody dies preferable to one where somebody does?
In fact, to quote the woman of the house:
"He didn't get away with it. He got busted last night, he got arrested, busted and finger printed and I got to see it and I loved every minute of it!"
It's a bit of a pointless OP. If lowing had posted a story about where an armed invader broke into an occupied house then his comments in the OP might make sense. His OP comes across more like bloodlust than rational assessment.
In fact, to quote the woman of the house:
"He didn't get away with it. He got busted last night, he got arrested, busted and finger printed and I got to see it and I loved every minute of it!"
It's a bit of a pointless OP. If lowing had posted a story about where an armed invader broke into an occupied house then his comments in the OP might make sense. His OP comes across more like bloodlust than rational assessment.
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Remember, this is lowing we're talking here...CameronPoe wrote:
The fact that he's doing time i.e., being punished for his crime under the letter of the law, without the need for anyone to die should essentially make this story one of... meh. Isn't the situation where nobody dies preferable to one where somebody does?
In fact, to quote the woman of the house:
"He didn't get away with it. He got busted last night, he got arrested, busted and finger printed and I got to see it and I loved every minute of it!"
It's a bit of a pointless OP. If lowing had posted a story about where an armed invader broke into an occupied house then I might see his point. His OP comes across more like bloodlust than rational assessment.
Just kidding lowing!
Is this for real? No one was in the house, the guy never did anything that insinuated he wanted to cause bodily harm to anyone. Dude, get a grip please.
YES I am a homeowner, YES I pay for it. No that doesn't give me the right to shoot an obviously mentally challenged person who thinks it's ok to fill up my toilets with shit and paper. I don't care what the law says. When he takes a step at you, ok do what you want, but until then, it's murder. In fact, I probably would've liked if you shot him, then we wouldn't have to hear this nonsense anymore. Unless you can access BF2s from prison.
You ever noticed, a lot of the most irrational "self defense", "shoot now, ask later" guys, are christian? Hypocrisy ftl.
YES I am a homeowner, YES I pay for it. No that doesn't give me the right to shoot an obviously mentally challenged person who thinks it's ok to fill up my toilets with shit and paper. I don't care what the law says. When he takes a step at you, ok do what you want, but until then, it's murder. In fact, I probably would've liked if you shot him, then we wouldn't have to hear this nonsense anymore. Unless you can access BF2s from prison.
You ever noticed, a lot of the most irrational "self defense", "shoot now, ask later" guys, are christian? Hypocrisy ftl.