ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
C'mon now DB - even Nazi Germany afforded American PoWs protection under the Geneva Convention. The Nazis for Christ's sake!DBBrinson1 wrote:
Well, if they start hucking grenades at US troops..... Frags and flying lead don't give a fuck how old you are. He tossed a nade. You usually don't get a mere 'time out' if you're caught by the enemy doing that. Besides you don't know what else he's said since then and done. Maybe he saying "Fuck you guys when I get out.. It's jihad time." One sidedBraddock wrote:
Just seen the video on Channel4 news. Congratulations America...15 years old. What's next, are you going to lock up emo's for hating the Government (being that the Government is part of the world, which they hate)?
usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
C'mon now DB - even Nazi Germany afforded American PoWs protection under the Geneva Convention. The Nazis for Christ's sake!DBBrinson1 wrote:
Well, if they start hucking grenades at US troops..... Frags and flying lead don't give a fuck how old you are. He tossed a nade. You usually don't get a mere 'time out' if you're caught by the enemy doing that. Besides you don't know what else he's said since then and done. Maybe he saying "Fuck you guys when I get out.. It's jihad time." One sided
CameronPoe wrote:
The Russians held soldiers of theirs and the Nazis didn't afford the Russians the same rights as they did the Americans (in fact their treatment of the Russians was brutal), ergo your logic fails. Are you seriously commending the incarceration without trial and with beating/sleep deprivation of a 15 year old child? Perhaps this is the reason people around the world view the US in a dimmer light than they once did.ATG wrote:
That's because we were holding prisoners of theirs Cam.
How they treat the polish prisoners? Or the gypsies?
so they kill russians and not americans so that makes it a good comparison? you cam followers amaze meSydney wrote:
usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
C'mon now DB - even Nazi Germany afforded American PoWs protection under the Geneva Convention. The Nazis for Christ's sake!CameronPoe wrote:
The Russians held soldiers of theirs and the Nazis didn't afford the Russians the same rights as they did the Americans (in fact their treatment of the Russians was brutal), ergo your logic fails. Are you seriously commending the incarceration without trial and with beating/sleep deprivation of a 15 year old child? Perhaps this is the reason people around the world view the US in a dimmer light than they once did.ATG wrote:
That's because we were holding prisoners of theirs Cam.
How they treat the polish prisoners? Or the gypsies?
Just saying that he already admitted that the nazis did indeed treat the Russians like shit.usmarine2 wrote:
so they kill russians and not americans so that makes it a good comparison? you cam followers amaze meSydney wrote:
usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
The Russians held soldiers of theirs and the Nazis didn't afford the Russians the same rights as they did the Americans (in fact their treatment of the Russians was brutal), ergo your logic fails. Are you seriously commending the incarceration without trial and with beating/sleep deprivation of a 15 year old child? Perhaps this is the reason people around the world view the US in a dimmer light than they once did.
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fair enough. But the comparison fails anyway.Sydney wrote:
Just saying that he already admitted that the nazis did indeed treat the Russians like shit.
Perhaps you should try reading what I posted in relation to what ATG posted. American/British PoWs had all of the provisions of the Geneva Convention laid on for them at Colditz and other camps. Laid on by the fucking Nazis. By your tone you are saying that it is better to be like how the Nazis treated the Russians and vice versa as against how the Nazis treated the Brits/Americans and vice versa?usmarine2 wrote:
so they kill russians and not americans so that makes it a good comparison? you cam followers amaze me
No by my tone the nazis have nothing to do with this. should not even be mentioned. I figured it would be mentioned by the second page by one of you, but it only took a couple replies. bravo sir.CameronPoe wrote:
Perhaps you should try reading what I posted in relation to what ATG posted. American/British PoWs had all of the provisions of the Geneva Convention laid on for them at Colditz and other camps. Laid on by the fucking Nazis. By your tone you are saying that it is better to be like how the Nazis treated the Russians and vice versa as against how the Nazis treated the Brits/Americans and vice versa?usmarine2 wrote:
so they kill russians and not americans so that makes it a good comparison? you cam followers amaze me
Well gee usmarine - generally comparisons get struck with other conflicts when it comes to enemy detention and other matters of warfare... (heaven knows you and your kin bring up WWII more often than seems physically possible). Not fond of what you don't like hearing eh?usmarine2 wrote:
No by my tone the nazis have nothing to do with this. should not even be mentioned. I figured it would be mentioned by the second page by one of you, but it only took a couple replies. bravo sir.
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I have no problem with gitmo you bleeding heart babies. you compare that to the SS saying they were better? my fucking god.CameronPoe wrote:
Well gee usmarine - generally comparisons get struck with other conflicts when it comes to enemy detention and other matters of warfare... Not fond of what you don't like hearing eh?usmarine2 wrote:
No by my tone the nazis have nothing to do with this. should not even be mentioned. I figured it would be mentioned by the second page by one of you, but it only took a couple replies. bravo sir.
Well, I can see the direction you who support these human rights violations are coming from, it's hard to treat your enemy well and let him have some rights when you know that you will definately not get anything of the like from the enemy. Nontheless, this kid is just a child soldier brainwashed by a radical religion.
Fuck, the whole situation is a stalemate. Better nuke the whole ME.
Fuck, the whole situation is a stalemate. Better nuke the whole ME.
We figured you would have no problem with it. People like you and the people you elect are kind of the reason the rest of the world doesn't really look too fondly on the US anymore and kind of the reason American political opinion is as divided as it has been since civil war times.usmarine2 wrote:
I have no problem with gitmo you bleeding heart babies. you compare that to the SS saying they were better? my fucking god.
Any more cliches (bleeding heart babies) to throw my way? Liberal so and so, etc?
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well you euros didnt seem to have a problem when the russians were slaughtering the afghans in the 70's and 80's. so it only seems you have a hardon for gitmo, yet didnt mind jews and afghans being massacred.CameronPoe wrote:
We figured you would have no problem with it. People like you and the people you elect are kind of the reason the rest of the world doesn't really look too fondly on the US anymore and kind of the reason American political opinion is as divided as it has been since civil war times.usmarine2 wrote:
I have no problem with gitmo you bleeding heart babies. you compare that to the SS saying they were better? my fucking god.
Who the fuck says Europeans endorsed Russian massacres and gross criminality in Afghanistan? You're in dreamland if you think Europeans had anything but contempt for the USSR. Did you miss the televised celebrations when the wall came down or something?usmarine2 wrote:
well you euros didnt seem to have a problem when the russians were slaughtering the afghans in the 70's and 80's. so it only seems you have a hardon for gitmo, yet didnt mind jews and afghans being massacred.
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but didnt do anything about it. talk is cheap.CameronPoe wrote:
Who the fuck says Europeans endorsed Russian massacres and gross criminality in Afghanistan? You're in dreamland if you think Europeans had anything but contempt for the USSR.usmarine2 wrote:
well you euros didnt seem to have a problem when the russians were slaughtering the afghans in the 70's and 80's. so it only seems you have a hardon for gitmo, yet didnt mind jews and afghans being massacred.
Are we doing anything about Gitmo? No. Talk is talk. You get judged by your actions. Everybody has as much right to criticise Gitmo as you have of ignoring said criticism.usmarine2 wrote:
but didnt do anything about it. talk is cheap.
Turns out Hogans Heros was just a tv show and not a documentary.usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
C'mon now DB - even Nazi Germany afforded American PoWs protection under the Geneva Convention. The Nazis for Christ's sake!
They didn't exactly treat U.S. prisoners that great either.
oh bollocks. they gave them prayer time, red cross visits, and meals according to their faith.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Turns out Hogans Heros was just a tv show and not a documentary.usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.CameronPoe wrote:
C'mon now DB - even Nazi Germany afforded American PoWs protection under the Geneva Convention. The Nazis for Christ's sake!
They didn't exactly treat U.S. prisoners that great either.
Out of seven hours, his lawyers chose that to show how badly he'd been treated?! Wow...he must have been really brutalized if that's the worst his lawyers could find out of those 7 hours.
His own people didn't seem too taken with him, did they? Those damn blood-thirsty Canucks!
Sleep deprivation is not torture, ffs. The wounds he showed were from when he was injured in an airstrike prior to his capture in Afghanistan, yet you claim his scars prove he was tortured in Afghanistan prior to being sent to Gitmo. Have you wondered why he was sent to Gitmo? It's not like the run-of-the-mill captured insurgent got sent there back in the day.
This was back in 2003, correct? Gitmo detainees are going before trials, correct? He's got a trial date of Oct this year. How is he not getting a trial again?
You keep saying he was tortured...with nothing to back it up. Based on your unfounded assumption, you say he must be innocent. Why? Because you assume (again, without foundation) that no intel was gained from his interrogations.
You have no idea what intel they got from him, how useful it was, or what it related to. You assume they got nothing from him because...why again?
I agree with DBB...this is ridiculously one-sided. You see a two-minute video of this kid crying and assume he's lily-fucking-white innocent.
His own people didn't seem too taken with him, did they? Those damn blood-thirsty Canucks!
Sleep deprivation is not torture, ffs. The wounds he showed were from when he was injured in an airstrike prior to his capture in Afghanistan, yet you claim his scars prove he was tortured in Afghanistan prior to being sent to Gitmo. Have you wondered why he was sent to Gitmo? It's not like the run-of-the-mill captured insurgent got sent there back in the day.
This was back in 2003, correct? Gitmo detainees are going before trials, correct? He's got a trial date of Oct this year. How is he not getting a trial again?
You keep saying he was tortured...with nothing to back it up. Based on your unfounded assumption, you say he must be innocent. Why? Because you assume (again, without foundation) that no intel was gained from his interrogations.
You have no idea what intel they got from him, how useful it was, or what it related to. You assume they got nothing from him because...why again?
I agree with DBB...this is ridiculously one-sided. You see a two-minute video of this kid crying and assume he's lily-fucking-white innocent.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FEOS you dumbass. everyone in jail is innocent.
he's lucky he got to detainee status
Are you defending Nazis now or did you misunderstand me?usmarine2 wrote:
oh bollocks. they gave them prayer time, red cross visits, and meals according to their faith.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Turns out Hogans Heros was just a tv show and not a documentary.usmarine2 wrote:
ummmm....what? SS treated pows like shit. just ask the russians. try again cam.
They didn't exactly treat U.S. prisoners that great either.
edit: nvm
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sarcasm sirAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
Are you defending Nazis now or did you misunderstand me?usmarine2 wrote:
oh bollocks. they gave them prayer time, red cross visits, and meals according to their faith.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Turns out Hogans Heros was just a tv show and not a documentary.
They didn't exactly treat U.S. prisoners that great either.
5 pages of this video? As Feos said, this is the best "torture" evidence they have? I find it funny that we have 5 pages of this and many more pages when the Palestinian cameraman was killed but when 2 US soldiers bodies were recovered, there is only a blip.
I am sure those soldiers were treated gently, they were not tortured and died a peaceful death. I am sure they were accorded the right to have 3 meals a day, have their religious beliefs understood and catered to and they were allowed full medical treatment. NOT!!!!
Those soldiers were probably brutally tortured and any sense of common decency towards them were an after thought. I also bet that they were mutilated after they died or during their deaths. But many of you jump on this video and have absolutely nothing to say about 2 men who suffered more dearly than anything that is happening to this guy. That is why I don't post much on these forums any more....there is a huge double standard and a "jumping on the bandwagon" mentality if the United States or Israel is involved with anything that's even the slightest bit ugly.
Put the shoe on the other foot and almost total silence......Interesting!!
I am sure those soldiers were treated gently, they were not tortured and died a peaceful death. I am sure they were accorded the right to have 3 meals a day, have their religious beliefs understood and catered to and they were allowed full medical treatment. NOT!!!!
Those soldiers were probably brutally tortured and any sense of common decency towards them were an after thought. I also bet that they were mutilated after they died or during their deaths. But many of you jump on this video and have absolutely nothing to say about 2 men who suffered more dearly than anything that is happening to this guy. That is why I don't post much on these forums any more....there is a huge double standard and a "jumping on the bandwagon" mentality if the United States or Israel is involved with anything that's even the slightest bit ugly.
Put the shoe on the other foot and almost total silence......Interesting!!
I'm interested. What secret information, what memo did you guys get detailing all the evidence making this guy guilty?
Throw him in trial for fuck's sake. 6 years... and you call yourself the home of the free.
Throw him in trial for fuck's sake. 6 years... and you call yourself the home of the free.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Same question could be asked of those who claim he's innocent, has been tortured, and has/had no intel value.Spark wrote:
I'm interested. What secret information, what memo did you guys get detailing all the evidence making this guy guilty?
Throw him in trial for fuck's sake. 6 years... and you call yourself the home of the free.
He IS going on trial...in a few months. That's who released the video: His defense lawyers.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular