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ReTox wrote:

I'm not American.

Ok. Good.

ReTox wrote:

You said "his ass IS on borrowed time as far as I'M concerned" so how the hell am I supposed to know you meant six years ago?  Use proper tense next time.  And the "As far as I'm concerned" implies your view on his life and what should happen to him.

Wait... What?  No tense change... He is = he's..It's a god damn contraction. jesus christ.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/he%27s

he's  (hz)
1. Contraction of he is: He's going to school today.
2. Contraction of he has: He's already been to the museum.

ReTox wrote:

And yes it was compassionate for them to save his life... not so much to toss him in Gitmo while he was still classed as a child under the law.  This is what I mean, circumvent the law because the government sees fit.  If someone else did it it would be a criminal act but it's the US GOV so "all's well mate!"

Blackwater is simply a state sanctioned terrorist group.  No one and nothing will EVER change my view on that.

Where do you propose they put him?  Remember, they didn't have your crystal ball to know back then there may even be a chance this guy was innocent.  Can't quite trust the word of a 15 year old not to "Throw a grenade" again.  With all the backstabbing at the UN why the hell should the US listen to everyone else?  The rest of the world at large was/is against it (two tenses used -fancy!).

At the Blackwater comment?  It's bullshit.  The attempted comparison between Blackwater and real state sponsored terrorist groups such as hamas, is just disgusting.  Your views are closed minded thus as is no point in "debating" that with you.

God Save the Queen wrote:

Ive worked with triple canopy and dyncorp

What about these guys?  Ever heard of them?
http://www.g4s.com/usw

jord wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_companies#U.K._companies


Gurka security guards is where it's at.

Ive seen those guys too.  At BIAP and the Baghdad sheraton

God Save the Queen wrote:

jord wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_companies#U.K._companies


Gurka security guards is where it's at.

Ive seen those guys too.  At BIAP and the Baghdad sheraton

You see all types of interesting people in the Army.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Where do you propose they put him?  Remember, they didn't have your crystal ball to know back then there may even be a chance this guy was innocent.  Can't quite trust the word of a 15 year old not to "Throw a grenade" again.  With all the backstabbing at the UN why the hell should the US listen to everyone else?  The rest of the world at large was/is against it (two tenses used -fancy!).

At the Blackwater comment?  It's bullshit.  The attempted comparison between Blackwater and real state sponsored terrorist groups such as hamas, is just disgusting.  Your views are closed minded thus as is no point in "debating" that with you.

My view of BW is close minded... without question.  Everything else is being misconstrued as closed when in fact I'm just steadfast in my belief and haven't seen an argument yet to change that view.

The UN is useless and is a mockery of its former self.

I don't need a crystal ball to see that taking 6 years to even charge someone is wrong.  I feel the same way about the single detainee being held in a Canadian jail who has never been charged with a crime.  Charge them or let them go.

If Khadr is guilty then he should pay the price.  I don't support capitol punishment but jail time minus what he has already served would be appropriate.  I would also like him to be extradited to Canada as is allowed in the treaties between our countries and I would expect my government to pursue that course of action.  He is a Canadian regardless of what he has done... that is a fundamental law of Canadian society and he is afforded rights under that law.

The fact my government chooses to ignore that law is very disturbing.

to tell you the truth, most of those guys looked overweight.   they werent doing much.  guarding the top floor of one of the tallest buildings in baghdad.  also guarding a section of BIAP.

usmarine2 wrote:

not known?

DynCorp in Bosnia for one.  I suggest taking a good hard look at military contractors from every country over the years.

Don't know about US contractors, only that I haven't heard of any Canadian merc organizations.

then you must not have gone very far outside your borders while you served.  military contractors are common overseas and arent exclusive to any single nation.

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imortal wrote:

You mean, apart from the Canadian Army Sniper Corps, or whatever name they go by?  Wasn't the Canadian public pissed that Canadian snipers were volunteering and arranging to go to Afghanastan a while back?

The snipers were on detached duty tasked to assist US special and regular forces.  Afghanistan was legally voted on and passed by our government representatives.  That is why we are there still now and that is also why we didn't go into Iraq.  Everyone knew Iraq wouldn't pass.

God Save the Queen wrote:

then you must not have gone very far outside your borders while you served.  military contractors are common overseas and arent exclusive to any single nation.

I've seen military contractors and worked with them too.  There is a difference though between a military contractor and a private business contracted to operate in a warzone with total impunity.

usmarine2 wrote:

ReTox wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

not known?

DynCorp in Bosnia for one.  I suggest taking a good hard look at military contractors from every country over the years.

Don't know about US contractors, only that I haven't heard of any Canadian merc organizations.

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/vi … world-iraq
http://corporateaffiliations.ecnext.com … dlanding=1

Good links, I really didn't know about them being in Baghdad, even though I have seen the cars around here.  Always unarmed and pretty much on par with mall security.  Highly doubt that is the level on competency for those in theatre.

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Only cos the US was supplying the IRA and shit. Or so I've heard

I'm not quite sure what the USA's stance was during "The Troubles" but I think they were more with the Irish than the British. Also, they didn't even help the UK in the Falklands either. Just why the fuck did we help them in Afghanistan and Iraq. Fuck sake. There was never a special relationship.

Maybe because we helped ya'll in WW2? I don't know.

I think the commonwealth did more to help the UK than the US ever did, but we don't want to get into that debate. The UK isn't France, WW2 won't work as an argument.

Mek: Yeah, plenty of 'without the US, WW2 would've...' alternative history arguments out there.
deez: The WW2 argument is rapidly degenerating into a 'what we?' as veterans die out and people whose birth dates occur after 1945 take proud credit. Soon the comparison will be as mind-boggling as a 'yeah, but in WW1...' distraction.

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