FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

ReTox wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Since when is a 21 year-old a child?
Are you really that obtuse?  21 - 6 = 15, wake up please.
Understand present and past tense please. You were speaking in the present tense as if he were a child.

ReTox wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I like how you said Khadr "killed" a soldier, but Blackwater "murdered" civilians. Spin much?
Not spin, fact.  Engagements between combat forces result in kills, whether one side are terrorists or not.  if a soldier kills a terrorist you will see it on the report as a kill, not a murder.  If a terrorist kills a soldier during fighting it is reported as a kill as well.

An illegal kill is a murder.  You shoot an unarmed civilian and you should get charged... BW worked with almost total impunity.
Shooting an unarmed civilian does not necessarily mean one should be charged. It is totally dependent upon the situation. If one purposefully and knowingly shoots an unarmed civilian, then yes, they should be charged. And I agree that BW got the pass on things they shouldn't have.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

God Save the Queen wrote:

Ive worked with triple canopy and dyncorp
Didn't one of those companies build Robocop?
jord
Member
+2,382|7099|The North, beyond the wall.

ReTox wrote:

jord wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_companies#U.K._companies


Gurka security guards is where it's at.
Talked briefly to a member of the Gurkha Contingent while I was in Singapore.  Very impressive force they are.  No one there fucks with the GC.


Edited for spelling
Argentine special forces surrendered when they heard the Gurkha's were coming.
ReTox
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FEOS wrote:

Shooting an unarmed civilian does not necessarily mean one should be charged. It is totally dependent upon the situation. If one purposefully and knowingly shoots an unarmed civilian, then yes, they should be charged. And I agree that BW got the pass on things they shouldn't have.
I agree totally, an accidental kill is an accident, tragic to be sure but still an accident and it does happen.  Usually you'll have an investigation and the soldier(s) eventually get cleared.

Blackwater though have gone above and beyond what is even remotely acceptable as collateral damage:

http://verbena19.wordpress.com/2007/10/ … ons-asked/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 003473.stm
http://adereview.com/blog/?p=49

In my view they are just as terrorizing as the insurgents are.  Everyday Iraqis would probably agree.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7049|IRELAND

Interesting video. It surprises me that the Republican Senator interviewed, doesn't know. How many Blackwater there are in Iraqi, how many have killed or been killed and "we can't find out" Fuck me. So who does know if the Party who sent them there doesn't even know what they are up to. Blackwater is owned and run by a right wing fundamentalist Christians. Funny how fundamentalist Christians seam to make money from war and death. They are like the fundamentalist Muslims only they are smart enough to make a buck from terror.
If I was an American I would have serious issues with these guys being deployed within America. They were deployed after Katrina in New Orleans. To "keep the peace" What the hell do these people know about policing?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

deez: The WW2 argument is rapidly degenerating into a 'what we?' as veterans die out and people whose birth dates occur after 1945 take proud credit. Soon the comparison will be as mind-boggling as a 'yeah, but in WW1...' distraction.
I hear ya. But I still get emotional about it. Maybe because the American Legion Post that I belong to in Conecticut our commander, Cpl Bob Pedro U.S. Marines, fought in Iwo Jima and saw the flag raise with his own two eyes.  Some of these old timers in the post start talking about the war at the bar and me and the younger vets just sit there for hours and listen intently. These guys had guts and now they are so old but they still talk like they are in there 20's!!
Malloy must go
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

Braddock wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Ive worked with triple canopy and dyncorp
Didn't one of those companies build Robocop?
Don't bring Robocop into this Braddock, he has been through so much already.
Malloy must go
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Ive worked with triple canopy and dyncorp
Didn't one of those companies build Robocop?
Don't bring Robocop into this Braddock, he has been through so much already.
I think he's calling himself 'Murphy' again these days.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

JahManRed wrote:

Interesting video. It surprises me that the Republican Senator interviewed, doesn't know. How many Blackwater there are in Iraqi, how many have killed or been killed and "we can't find out" Fuck me. So who does know if the Party who sent them there doesn't even know what they are up to. Blackwater is owned and run by a right wing fundamentalist Christians. Funny how fundamentalist Christians seam to make money from war and death. They are like the fundamentalist Muslims only they are smart enough to make a buck from terror.
If I was an American I would have serious issues with these guys being deployed within America. They were deployed after Katrina in New Orleans. To "keep the peace" What the hell do these people know about policing?
Americans will sit up and take notice when Blackwater start being used to break up protests and curb 'anti-Government' behaviour throughout the US! It'll happen if everyone keeps snoozing peacefully while the constitution continues to get ripped up piece by piece.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7049|IRELAND

QFE.

Braddock wrote:

Americans will sit up and take notice when Blackwater start being used to break up protests and curb 'anti-Government' behaviour throughout the US! It'll happen if everyone keeps snoozing peacefully while the constitution continues to get ripped up piece by piece.
ReTox
Member
+100|6920|State of RETOXification

Braddock wrote:

Americans will sit up and take notice when Blackwater start being used to break up protests and curb 'anti-Government' behaviour throughout the US! It'll happen if everyone keeps snoozing peacefully while the constitution continues to get ripped up piece by piece.
True that, and by then it will be too late for anyone to do anything about it.

I still can't believe Bush said the Constitution of the United States is just a goddamn piece of paper.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

Braddock wrote:

Americans will sit up and take notice when Blackwater start being used to break up protests and curb 'anti-Government' behaviour throughout the US! It'll happen if everyone keeps snoozing peacefully while the constitution continues to get ripped up piece by piece.
Watched a little too much "Jericho", have we?

Why would a Republican Senator know the details of a State Dept contract?

BTW, it was both parties that sent troops to Iraq. The State Dept contracted with Blackwater for security.

ReTox wrote:

True that, and by then it will be too late for anyone to do anything about it.

I still can't believe Bush said the Constitution of the United States is just a goddamn piece of paper.
I've heard a lot of people saying that Bush said that...but I've never seen a source that verifies it.

For you constitutional scholars out there: Just what parts of the Constitution have been "ripped up"?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6604|Ireland
I hope the little fucking prick has to cut his own throat with a plastic butter knife to get to the virgins he was promised before he killed ( 1 that is known, could be more ) US soldiers.

Cry me a fucking river for this filth.
ReTox
Member
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

I hope the little fucking prick has to cut his own throat with a plastic butter knife to get to the virgins he was promised before he killed ( 1 that is known, could be more ) US soldiers.

Cry me a fucking river for this filth.
I hope you never reap the Vipaka of your Karma.
13rin
Member
+977|6900

ReTox wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I hope the little fucking prick has to cut his own throat with a plastic butter knife to get to the virgins he was promised before he killed ( 1 that is known, could be more ) US soldiers.

Cry me a fucking river for this filth.
I hope you never reap the Vipaka of your Karma.
Something tells me Lotta isn't a Hindu.  Also what if he's right and you're wrong?  Reap the VIPAKA!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ReTox
Member
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

ReTox wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I hope the little fucking prick has to cut his own throat with a plastic butter knife to get to the virgins he was promised before he killed ( 1 that is known, could be more ) US soldiers.

Cry me a fucking river for this filth.
I hope you never reap the Vipaka of your Karma.
Something tells me Lotta isn't a Hindu.  Also what if he's right and you're wrong?  Reap the VIPAKA!
Hindu or not, what goes around comes around. 

I hope he never experiences someone placing that amount of hate towards him.  If that is bad karma for me then so be it, I'd rather be damned than wish that on anyone.
13rin
Member
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ReTox wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

ReTox wrote:


I hope you never reap the Vipaka of your Karma.
Something tells me Lotta isn't a Hindu.  Also what if he's right and you're wrong?  Reap the VIPAKA!
Hindu or not, what goes around comes around. 

I hope he never experiences someone placing that amount of hate towards him.  If that is bad karma for me then so be it, I'd rather be damned than wish that on anyone.
Too late.  There are people who all ready do hate him.  They also hate you, and me.  They hate what your country fights and stands for.  They hate what my country fights and stands for.  Talk karma all you want.  The people I'm FEOS and I are writing about don't believe in that shit.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ReTox
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

ReTox wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Something tells me Lotta isn't a Hindu.  Also what if he's right and you're wrong?  Reap the VIPAKA!
Hindu or not, what goes around comes around. 

I hope he never experiences someone placing that amount of hate towards him.  If that is bad karma for me then so be it, I'd rather be damned than wish that on anyone.
Too late.  There are people who all ready do hate him.  They also hate you, and me.  They hate what your country fights and stands for.  They hate what my country fights and stands for.  Talk karma all you want.  The people I'm FEOS and I are writing about don't believe in that shit.
Yes there are people who would rather see me dead than breathing but that doesn't mean I feel that way towards to them, or anyone. 

That is why I advocate infrastructure as much as combat for all the NATO troops in Afghanistan.  I watched an enthralling documentary the other day on how much attitudes have changed in Kandahar since schools have been rebuilt, Afghans are being shown how to secure their own lands as best as is possible and the attitudes towards the west are changing.  Slowly but they are changing and that is progress in the right direction.  It isn't enough to just give people food and money... show them "how to fish and they can feed themselves forever".  This works quite well.

But it's also important that once Afghanistan is stable, and it will happen, that we leave when asked to.  This is also the major factor in my initial and total confusion in Bush's choice to hit Iraq.  Yes it is been debated ad nauseum but if the troops in Iraq would have been kept in Afghanistan the middle east would be much more stable.  Afghanistan might even be able to stand on her own with pride for the first time in 30+ years.  I can't help but think a stable and democratic Afghanistan would be a powerful ally in negotiations with less friendly countries over there.

I'm Buddhist, that doesn't mean just when it is convenient, it means I have decided a certain way of living brings me the most happiness and peace.  It also means that life is sacred to me, all life, including the most vile and despised people in the world.  Amazing things happen when you risk talking with your enemy.  Just look at North Korea in the last few months... their biggest reactor demolished, NY Philharmonic invited to play Pyongyang and the North Korea equivalent played in NY all because we lifted some sanctions and started talking.  It might not seem like much but when you think about the famous "axis of evil" regime being so cut off from the world and now there is a marked progress towards glasnost.

The same can be done with the Taliban and other extremist groups.  The Taliban wanted to negotiate, Karzai said yes, NATO said no.  That was a missed chance.  Bring them to the table and start a dialog at the least.  I firmly believe there is a solution to every problem and an agreement reachable in every dispute.  We just have to have a willingness to try.  I don't buy the "God commands me to kill all non Muslims" rhetoric... there is an underlying problem there that if dealt with will change that hateful attitude.

The best example of what I mean is here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.  A Mosque was just opened here and our Prime Minister attended the ribbon cutting because the Imams have publicly invited anyone, regardless of religion or belief, to come and learn and share.  That is beautiful to see and a place I do intend to visit soon.  People in the community donated the money to build the $4,000,000 Mosque and then opened the doors and said "Please come sit with me and let us be neighbours".  That is what I've always thought Canada's multiculturalism to be like and because of it I have to believe it can be accomplished elsewhere.

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