Poll

Do you think McCain or Obama is being the racist?

McCain11%11% - 5
Obama40%40% - 18
Both9%9% - 4
Neither38%38% - 17
Total: 44
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breitbart.com wrote:

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama, the first black candidate with a shot at winning the White House, says John McCain and his Republican allies will try to scare them by saying Obama "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Obama didn't make clear what distinctions McCain was likely to raise regarding the presidents on U.S. currency, men who are white and, for the most part, much older than Obama when they were elected. McCain has not raised Obama's race as an issue in the campaign, though he has said that Obama lacks experience.

Stumping in an economically challenged battleground state, Obama argued Wednesday that President Bush and McCain will resort to scare tactics to maintain their hold on the White House because they have little else to offer voters.

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds declined to comment Thursday on Obama's remarks.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the senator was not referring to race.

"What Barack Obama was talking about was that he didn't get here after spending decades in Washington," Gibbs said Thursday. "There is nothing more to this than the fact that he was describing that he was new to the political scene. He was referring to the fact that he didn't come into the race with the history of others. It is not about race."

Obama often makes references to his distinctions as a candidate, such as saying there are doubts among some voters because he has "a funny name." At times he refers to his race as well, saying he looks different that any previous candidate but then adding that the differences are not just about race. Addressing supporters Tuesday night at a fundraiser in Springfield, he said, "It's a leap, electing a 46-year-old black guy named Barack Obama."

During a round of appearances in Missouri, Obama worked to link McCain to the unpopular Bush, saying the Republican senator from Arizona would serve the equivalent of a third Bush term if elected. He said the country can't afford more of the same and expects different results.

"That's a definition of madness, but that's what John McCain is offering. He's offering Bush economic policies and Karl Rove politics," Obama said.

He pressed the theme later at a rain-soaked barbecue in Union, Mo.

"They're going to say I'm a risky guy," Obama said. "What they're going to argue is I'm too risky. The real risk is that we miss the moment, that we do not do what's needed because we're afraid."

For its part, McCain's campaign on Wednesday released a withering television ad comparing Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, suggesting the Democrat is little more than a vapid but widely recognized media concoction.

"He's the biggest celebrity in the world, but is he ready to lead?" the voiceover asks in the ad, which mixes images of Obama on his trip to Europe last week with video of the 20-something pop stars.

Obama's campaign quickly responded with a commercial of its own, dismissing McCain's complaints as "baloney" and "baseless."

Throughout the day, Obama argued that McCain "thinks we're on the right track," drawing boos from his audiences.

"These anxieties seem to be growing with each passing day," Obama said. "We can either choose a new direction for our economy or we can keep doing what we've been doing. My opponent, John McCain, thinks we're on the right track."

That elicited boos from some of the 1,500 people who filled a Springfield high school gymnasium. When an AP-Ipsos poll asked the "right track, wrong track" question this month, 77 percent said they thought the country was on the wrong track. The same poll set Bush's approval rating at 28 percent. Both were records for the AP-Ipsos survey.

"It's true that change is hard, change isn't easy," Obama said. "Nobody here thinks that Bush or McCain has a real answer for the challenges we face so what they're going to try to do is make you scared about me."

Obama also compared himself to western legend Wild Bill Hickok, who he said had fought a duel in Springfield.

"I'm ready to duel John McCain on taxes right here, quick draw," Obama said, prompting a quick retort from the other side.

"If Barack Obama wants this so-called duel then why did he and his entourage run for the hills when John McCain challenged him to 10 town halls?" asked Bounds, the McCain spokesman.

Obama responded after shaking hands at a restaurant in Lebanon, Mo.

"I don't hear very much positive from Sen. McCain," he said. "He seems to be only talking about me. You need to ask John McCain what he's for, not just what he's against."

breitbart.com wrote:

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP) - John McCain's campaign accused Barack Obama on Thursday of playing racial politics a day after the Democratic candidate predicted Republicans would try to scare voters by pointing out "he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Obama "played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck," McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said in a statement. He called Obama's remarks "divisive, negative, shameful and wrong."

Stumping in Missouri, Obama, the first black candidate with a shot at winning the White House, argued Wednesday that President Bush and McCain will resort to scare tactics to maintain their hold on the White House because they have little else to offer voters.

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, `he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name,' you know, `he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.'"

Obama himself didn't make clear what distinctions he thinks McCain is likely to raise regarding the presidents on U.S. currency—white men who for the most part were much older than Obama when elected. McCain has not raised Obama's race as an issue in the campaign; he has said Obama lacks experience.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday that the senator was not referring to race.


"What Barack Obama was talking about was that he didn't get here after spending decades in Washington," Gibbs said. "There is nothing more to this than the fact that he was describing that he was new to the political scene. He was referring to the fact that he didn't come into the race with the history of others. It is not about race."

Obama often makes references to his distinctions as a candidate, such as saying there are doubts among some voters because he has "a funny name." At times he refers to his race as well, saying he looks different from any previous candidate but then adding that the differences are not just about race. Addressing supporters Tuesday night at a fundraiser in Springfield, Mo., he said, "It's a leap, electing a 46-year-old black guy named Barack Obama."

During a round of appearances in Missouri, an economically challenged battleground state, Obama worked to link McCain to the unpopular Bush. He said the Republican senator from Arizona would serve the equivalent of a third Bush term if elected. He said the country can't afford more of the same and expects different results.

"That's a definition of madness, but that's what John McCain is offering. He's offering Bush economic policies and Karl Rove politics," Obama said.

He pressed the theme later at a rain-soaked barbecue in Union, Mo.

"They're going to say I'm a risky guy," Obama said. "What they're going to argue is I'm too risky. The real risk is that we miss the moment, that we do not do what's needed because we're afraid."

For its part, McCain's campaign on Wednesday released a withering television ad comparing Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, suggesting the Democrat is little more than a vapid but widely recognized media concoction.

"He's the biggest celebrity in the world, but is he ready to lead?" the voiceover asks in the ad, which mixes images of Obama on his trip to Europe last week with video of the 20-something pop stars.

Obama's campaign quickly responded with a commercial of its own, dismissing McCain's complaints as "baloney" and "baseless."

Throughout the day, Obama argued that McCain "thinks we're on the right track" economically.

"These anxieties seem to be growing with each passing day," Obama said. "We can either choose a new direction for our economy or we can keep doing what we've been doing. My opponent, John McCain, thinks we're on the right track."

That elicited boos from some of the 1,500 people who filled a Springfield high school gymnasium. When an AP-Ipsos poll asked the "right track, wrong track" question this month, 77 percent said they thought the country was on the wrong track. The same poll set Bush's approval rating at 28 percent. Both were records for the AP-Ipsos survey.
Isn't the Presidential Campaign race about getting your message clearly defined about the prospective candidate's vision for our country? Keeping to the issues that really matter to the people?

Why is this a headline? Why is race even a topic? I'm serious, what am I missing?

Honestly I don't want to vote for either. I'm not even close to deciding who will get my vote. I'm thinking Ill vote for who ever else is on the ballet, neither candidate deserves my vote. It's not even whom ever is the lesser of two evils!  Neither of which are "Leaders" to lead my country, in my opinion, yet here we are in 2008 deciding which one will be the next president. Has to be one of the worst choices for president in US History.

Any thoughts? I'm just about to throw the towel, not caring anymore.
God Save the Queen
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white people arent racist any more.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6867|Chicago, IL
Neither Obama nor McCain are racist.

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the like are dragging race into a situation where it wasn't present before, and are hurting Obama's chances.  White people become extremely defensive once the race card is pulled.
Mutantbear
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Obama
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God Save the Queen
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wonder when the "double standards" malarky is going to start.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
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All creeds and races have a number of racists.

Meh wrote:

Isn't the Presidential Campaign race about getting your message clearly defined about the prospective candidate's vision for our country? Keeping to the issues that really matter to the people?

Why is this a headline? Why is race even a topic? I'm serious, what am I missing?

Honestly I don't want to vote for either. I'm not even close to deciding who will get my vote. I'm thinking Ill vote for who ever else is on the ballet, neither candidate deserves my vote. It's not even whom ever is the lesser of two evils!  Neither of which are "Leaders" to lead my country, in my opinion, yet here we are in 2008 deciding which one will be the next president. Has to be one of the worst choices for president in US History.

Any thoughts? I'm just about to throw in the towel, not caring anymore.
God Save the Queen
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

All creeds and races have a number of racists.
ofcourse. but Im just sick of the "its reverse racism" crowd.  no such thing as reverse racism.
mcgid1
Meh...
+129|7137|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX
In this case, Obama's being racist.  Even if he says he wasn't trying to bring up the race issue in that remark, he has enough advisors and what not who can tell him that saying "he (Obama) doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills" is going to draw a race based response.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7249|Grapevine, TX
Well if its not race Obama is talking about, what is he talking about?

Obama wrote:

"doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Robert Gibbs wrote:

(Obama spokesman)"the senator was not referring to race."
Im just really tired of this being a topic in a Presidential Campaign. It's a disgrace. I dont see McCain making this an issue, more like the media. So if it's not McCain or Obama, then who is?
God Save the Queen
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well, isnt breitbart a fairly conservative source.  just look at where you are getting the perspective from.  they are only going to get stories they know will piss conservatives off.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-31 11:10:42)

(T)eflon(S)hadow
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Actually my source is Drudgereport linking to their story, and I honestly dont know whom they lean towards. I tried looking up who owns that media outlet but havent found anything yet...

TOP STORY: abcnews.com at the moment. at the media, FFS Why is this a topic? Because the McCain reps are responding to the media's questions about Obama's statements? More like reverse-reverse racist comments. agn

abcnews.com wrote:

Sen. John McCain's campaign is accusing Sen. Barack Obama of playing the race card by suggesting in recent campaign appearances that Republicans are going out of their way to point out that he is "different."

The McCain campaign scoffed at suggestions from Obama that the GOP will make Obama's race an issue in the election.

"Barack Obama has played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck. It's divisive, negative, shameful and wrong," McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said in a statement released today.

The Obama campaign denied Wednesday that the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate was referring to the McCain campaign directly, saying he meant opponents in general and right-wing radio commentators specifically.

The McCain campaign scoffed at that explanation.

But Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton fired back today.

" Barack Obama in no way believes that the McCain campaign is using race as an issue, but he does believe they're using the same old low-road politics to distract voters from the real issues in this campaign." Burton added that "This is a race about big challenges -- a slumping economy, a broken foreign policy, and an energy crisis for everyone but the oil companies."

The strong words from the McCain campaign came after Obama seemed to suggest during a couple of campaign stops in Missouri on Wednesday that the GOP was preparing to make an issue of his Muslim middle name and race, which turned some McCain insiders livid.
God Save the Queen
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drudgereport is considered conservative. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report
(T)eflon(S)hadow
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breaking news Im a conservative. can we now continue the debate?
Braddock
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I thought all racism stopped after emancipation, no?

That's what lowing said anyhow.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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It has to be Obama, McCain said "the nigger is a racist".
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

I think it comes from both camps (the supporters, not the candidate). Racism is a incredibly ignorant thing for a politician at that level to even go near. With McCain I think there is an obvious degree of ageism that goes on as well. Both are similar in that they are attacking the things a candidate has no control over.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Schittloaf
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Obama is using the "Race card" once again.. he has always planned to use it and will continue to use it for a couple more months .. then he will loose ..
Ajax_the_Great1
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God Save the Queen wrote:

white people arent racist any more.
It's not possible for blacks to be racists cuz they were slaves once.
Roc18
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Well he doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, thats a fact. People are once again taking this type of race related issue out of proportion.
God Save the Queen
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

breaking news Im a conservative. can we now continue the debate?
not really breaking.  just want to establish that fact.  You are only looking to get angry at Obama.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

white people arent racist any more.
It's not possible for blacks to be racists cuz they were slaves once.
because white people and racism are incompatible with each other now.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-08-01 05:45:51)

Ajax_the_Great1
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Roc18 wrote:

Well he doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, thats a fact. People are once again taking this type of race related issue out of proportion.
Thats not the point. Obama doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, but thats not what hes saying. He's saying McCain is trying to use that fact to get people not to vote for him, essentially calling McCain a racist. It's baseless shallow political attacks as usual, and this one goes a step too far. Unless you think calling someone racist isn't a big deal.
Roc18
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Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Well he doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, thats a fact. People are once again taking this type of race related issue out of proportion.
Thats not the point. Obama doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, but thats not what hes saying. He's saying McCain is trying to use that fact to get people not to vote for him, essentially calling McCain a racist. It's baseless shallow political attacks as usual, and this one goes a step too far. Unless you think calling someone racist isn't a big deal.
True, Obama did take it too far. But responding to the OP I dont think what he said was racist.

Last edited by Roc18 (2008-08-01 14:22:42)

Kmar
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Roc18 wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Well he doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, thats a fact. People are once again taking this type of race related issue out of proportion.
Thats not the point. Obama doesn't look like all those presidents on the dollar bills, but thats not what hes saying. He's saying McCain is trying to use that fact to get people not to vote for him, essentially calling McCain a racist. It's baseless shallow political attacks as usual, and this one goes a step too far. Unless you think calling someone racist isn't a big deal.
True, Obama did take it too far. But responding to the OP I dont think what he said was racist.
Agreed. It was a response to the McCain ad comparing him to a rock star. I think there was a bit of anger involved tbh. It was an obvious mistake that we will be hearing about now for weeks. McCain needs to bring more than "I won't raise your taxes". This is not it. This is going to be milked more than his Dr.Phil remark. He knows he needs to capitalize on every single thing to make up for his public speaking deficiency.

These types of attacks are not very relevant to me. I'd rather here them discuss plans for a better 'merica.



Sincerely, Undecided
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lowing
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Braddock wrote:

I thought all racism stopped after emancipation, no?

That's what lowing said anyhow.
Did I? Please show me where I said that.
Braddock
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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I thought all racism stopped after emancipation, no?

That's what lowing said anyhow.
Did I? Please show me where I said that.
Short memory lowing? Do you not remember discussing at length whether or not African Americans had to contend with racism in the working world of modern America as a result of the hangover from the days of segregation? You claimed that no such disadvantage exists and that everyone is in the same boat, hence one's own attitude and efforts in life are all that count when it comes to getting ahead in life. You said that African Americans can't use the apartheid era as an excuse as the problems and injustices of that era have no connection to modern American life.

But I'm sure you'll tapdance your way around that argument somehow and to be honest I don't think there's any point in us going over the same stalemate again.

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