Thorax
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/05/ … index.html

CNN wrote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iraq is raking in more money from oil exports than it is spending, amassing a projected four-year budget surplus of up to $80 billion, U.S. auditors reported Tuesday.
Oil accounted for 94 percent of the Iraq's revenue from 2005 to 2007, a U.S. report says.

Leading members of Congress, noting that Washington is paying for reconstruction in Iraq, expressed outrage at the assessment. One called the findings "inexcusable."

"We should not be paying for Iraqi projects while Iraqi oil revenues continue to pile up in the bank, including outrageous profits from $4-a-gallon gas prices in the U.S.," said Sen. Carl Levin, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We should require that U.S. taxpayers be reimbursed for the cost of large projects."

Baghdad had a $29 billion budget surplus between 2005 to 2007. With the price of crude roughly doubling in the past year, Iraq's surplus for 2008 is expected to run between $38 billion and $50 billion, according to a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

The United States has put about $48 billion toward reconstruction since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, auditors reported. About $23 billion of that was spent on the oil and electricity industries, water systems and security.

Iraq spent $3.9 billion on those sectors from 2005 through April 2008, according to the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress. The ongoing fighting there, a shortage of trained staff and weak controls have made it difficult for the Iraqi government to spend its surplus on needed projects, the agency's report concluded.

Levin, a Michigan Democrat, has been an outspoken critic of the slow progress of reconstruction and an advocate of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. His criticism Tuesday was echoed by Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican who is the former chairman and now a leading member of Levin's committee.

"Despite Iraq earning billions of dollars in oil revenue in the past five years, U.S. taxpayer money has been the overwhelming source of Iraq reconstruction funds," Warner said in a joint statement with Levin. "It is time for the sovereign government of Iraq, using its revenues, expenditures and surpluses, to fully assume the responsibility to provide essential services and improve the quality of life for the Iraqi people."

In its written response to the audit report, the Treasury Department said U.S. officials are working with Iraqis to address the issue, "and we believe progress is being made."

"The report shows Iraq's budget surplus is likely to grow significantly over the course of 2008, but it is equally important to realize that spending in Iraq is also increasing," Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary Andy Baukol wrote to the GAO.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government submitted a $22 billion supplemental budget to the Iraqi parliament in July, including $8 billion in proposed capital expenditures, Baukol wrote.

The issue raised the hackles of several members of Congress earlier this year -- particularly because Bush administration officials said on the eve of the war that Iraqi oil money would pay for reconstruction.

In 2003, then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz told the House Appropriations Committee: "We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.''

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, said Tuesday's report "is going to make a lot of American families very angry."

"The record gas prices they are paying have turned into an economic windfall for Iraq, but the Iraqi government isn't spending the money on rebuilding," said Waxman, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Levin spokeswoman Tara Andringa said the senator hopes to tighten rules governing U.S. expenditures on Iraqi reconstruction efforts in the next Pentagon authorization bill.

The Iraqi surplus has piled up even though the country's oil production has only recently matched prewar levels, according to the Brookings Institution's latest Iraq Index.

The country spent about 80 percent of its $29 billion operating budget in 2007, including public services and salaries, but only 28 percent of its $12 billion investment budget, the GAO found.

The export of crude oil accounted for 94 percent of Iraq's revenues from 2005 to 2007, the GAO reported.
What they fail to mention is that if had never fucked their country up in the first place there would be no need for reconstruction, so why are we pissed that they aren't paying for it.
Stupid ass senators and congressmen.  It's their fault for voting for the war int he FIRST PLACE!
usmarine
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well, this just proves we dont have the oil.  it also proves our leaders are retards.  but, i get my war veteran status at least.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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usmarine wrote:

well, this just proves we dont have the oil.
You just ruined my night.
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usmarine
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Kmarion wrote:

usmarine wrote:

well, this just proves we dont have the oil.
You just ruined my night.
i did?

/win
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6825|North Carolina
No blood for oil  Whoops...  quite literally...  no oil for our blood, but they get oil for our blood and their blood and our money...  Combine this with the fact that Iran no longer has to worry about Saddam...  yeah...  great job guys.
usmarine
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Turquoise wrote:

Combine this with the fact that Iran no longer has to worry about Saddam...
oh, that worry stopped a long time ago.
imortal
Member
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usmarine wrote:

well, this just proves we dont have the oil.  it also proves our leaders are retards.  but, i get my war veteran status at least.
ditto.  And I need it.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6744|New Haven, CT

usmarine wrote:

well, this just proves we dont have the oil.  it also proves our leaders are retards.  but, i get my war veteran status at least.
You have to come talk at Veteran's Day assemblies now. It would be a bit better if you had a MoH, though.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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nukchebi0 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

well, this just proves we dont have the oil.  it also proves our leaders are retards.  but, i get my war veteran status at least.
You have to come talk at Veteran's Day assemblies now. It would be a bit better if you had a MoH, though.
He can show up drunk, which would make it more interesting...


Hmm... Imagine that...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Turquoise wrote:

Combine this with the fact that Iran no longer has to worry about Saddam...  yeah...  great job guys.
They've got bigger things to worry about. Iraq was sooo 80's.
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Spazz
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i hope the value of the Iraqi dinar goes up
i have abotu 30k worth of IQD sitting on my desk if the IQD is like the Kuwaiti Dinar then 1 IQD will be worth 4 USD = me rich!!
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Stingray24 wrote:

Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
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Turquoise
O Canada
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Kmarion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
They certainly do in Europe.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
They certainly do in Europe.
Turq you have enough economic intelligence to understand that expenses are immediately passed on to the consumer. They are the only ones who ever pay taxes.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6825|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
They certainly do in Europe.
Turq you have enough economic intelligence to understand that expenses are immediately passed on to the consumer. They are the only ones who ever pay taxes.
...then tell me why companies bother to outsource?  Surely it can't only be because of labor costs.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

They certainly do in Europe.
Turq you have enough economic intelligence to understand that expenses are immediately passed on to the consumer. They are the only ones who ever pay taxes.
...then tell me why companies bother to outsource?  Surely it can't only be because of labor costs.
It's to keep the prices down and to avoid taxes. Good point though. We've actually went through windfall taxes before and tax revenue decreased. Why? Because there were better places to produce. We talk about reducing dependency on foreign oil while at the same time insisting that our own oil is taxed to hell and back.. Epic failure.
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Turquoise
O Canada
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What I wonder is this...  What is the optimal % to tax companies at where tax revenue is maximized?
Kmar
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Turquoise wrote:

What I wonder is this...  What is the optimal % to tax companies at where tax revenue is maximized?
A very difficult question. When GWB cut taxes revenue shot up.. of course he then proceeded to throw it around like he was starring in a lil wayne video.
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ATG
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I want my fucking money back.

If they do not make a cash payment to coalition forces we should seize the money.

This is bullshit, plain and simple.
Reciprocity
Member
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yeah, that sounds like our $80 billion surplus.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6825|North Carolina
Speaking of $80 billion, I believe that's the same amount of money we've spent bribing the Pakistani government to work with us.

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ATG
Banned
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Kmarion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
Whoa. The brush you are painting with is as broad as a house.

I can assure you that only corporations/businesses that control comodities or territories can do that.

Business don't fail only because they aren't smart enough to pass the costs along, they fail because sometimes they can't and the cost of business outweighs what you can sell work for.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Windfall profits tax!  *runs around waiving arms*
It amazes me to think people actually believe that a corporation/business pays any taxes at all .. evah.
Whoa. The brush you are painting with is as broad as a house.

I can assure you that only corporations/businesses that control comodities or territories can do that.

Business don't fail only because they aren't smart enough to pass the costs along, they fail because sometimes they can't and the cost of business outweighs what you can sell work for.
Thats right. The ones that don't (can't afford to pass the burden along and remain competitive) fail.. thus ending all possibility of being taxed (which never really was a possibility in the first place). It's the failed logic of trying to make money magically appear in a free market. You just made my argument for me.
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ATG
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I'm sorry, but I just don't get what you are on about. No wonder, it's like 3 A.M. where you are.

Why do you hate sleep? It doesn't hate you, you know.

Why don't you kiss and make up.

" The ones that don't (can't afford to pass the burden along and remain competitive) fail.. thus ending all possibility of being taxed (which never really was a possibility in the first place).  "

Care to splain that, pretend your drunk er something so we understand each other.

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