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TheAussieReaper wrote:

You can't yell on a forum

eat a cock

DesertFox- wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

You make the stupidest threads I've seen. I'm sorry, but it's true. Don't generalize every Muslim and every Christian especially when you're talking about views like this. Almost all religion is a joke anyways; at least nowadays.

I agreed with you right up until that last sentence.

I just mean to say that almost no religion is taken how it was meant to be taken and has been corrupted beyond belief.

Actually ATG, it is the folks who think that one religion is better than another religion that are the problem. Sort of like your opening statement, but I'm not saying anything of course.

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

kmarion wrote:

How many people did Jesus order killed?

wiki wrote:

A few Muslim scholars, such as W. N. Arafat and Barakat Ahmad, have disputed the historicity of the incident.[34] Ahmad, argues that only the leaders of the tribe were killed. (see his thesis)[35] Arafat argued that Ibn Ishaq gathered information from descendants of the Qurayza Jews, who embellished or manufactured the details of the incident.[36][37]

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You would be crazy to compare morality of people back then to current day morality. Things must be taken into account. First that The executions were possibly conducted for treasonous reasons ( according to some), Mohammeds teachings claim that Christians/Jews should be treated with respect. Secondly, that beheading the men of the conquered and enslaving the women was pretty common practice back then, so wouldnt have been not unusual ( although it is clearly abhorrent now, similar practises still happen in areas of tribal Africa). Thirdly Mohammed was a warrior, Jesus was clearly not.

What it shows is how radical the teachings of Christ are considering the time. And although I would consider Mohammed an exponent of peace, he was still a warrior and subject to a lot of the morality that was normal at the time.

As for the OP, I would say that most Christians wouldnt consider Mohammed a terrorist. If they did, they are either ill informed, or not very good Christians.

The fact remains that Mohammed was a warlord and that Christ wasn't.

I don't worship any god or follow any prophet, but...  I'd certainly pick a pacifist over a warlord.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Braddock wrote:

All religion is a joke, I wish people would grow up and stop believing fairy tales already. Religion belongs in the dark ages, we should be past all that shit by now. Pure philosophy should have completely replaced religion by now.

yet it remains that 95% of this planet still believes in a supreme being, many of which truly know and have more evidence proving such a supreme being than you have of your own existence.

How bout you lackeys grow up and accept that maybe it takes a little effort to believe in something and that you aren't spoonfed EVERYTHING in your belief set?  Is there "pure" philosphy?  Fairy tales?  Please.  Those kind of comments show you know exactly nothing about religion except what you glean from message boards full of smart guys and your limited experience of mommy and daddy leaving the church because some lady didn't like her casserole at that one failed pot-luck dinner.

All I'm asking for is that you show me the proof of this evidence.  Surely, you can't expect Braddock or anyone else to take your words at face value.  That would be no more logical than for me to expect you to convert to a different religion because I simply stated that say... Buddhism is better.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

You make the stupidest threads I've seen.

I can tell.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

What religion you are within the confines of Judeo-Christianity is so irrelevant if you take half a step backwards. It's all very close, and as with all religions (including atheism) it is much more about who you are talking to than what they label themselves as.

Atheism isn't a religion, sorry.  A void of belief isn't the same as believing sor not believing in something.

says you.  i can make whatever belief i have a religion if i want to.  who are you to say otherwise?

usmarine wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

What religion you are within the confines of Judeo-Christianity is so irrelevant if you take half a step backwards. It's all very close, and as with all religions (including atheism) it is much more about who you are talking to than what they label themselves as.

Atheism isn't a religion, sorry.  A void of belief isn't the same as believing sor not believing in something.

says you.  i can make whatever belief i have a religion if i want to.  who are you to say otherwise?

That's my point - atheism isn't a belief.  It's a void of belief or non-belief.  How can you make a religion out of something I don't even bother to think about?

DesertFox- wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

usmarine wrote:

says you.  i can make whatever belief i have a religion if i want to.  who are you to say otherwise?

That's my point - atheism isn't a belief.  It's a void of belief or non-belief.  How can you make a religion out of something I don't even bother to think about?

Semantics is all it is. Atheism is a belief. It is the belief that there is no deity. That alone is far from saying it is not a religion. I find it hilarious all the militant atheists who don't use the word "belief" because it is often associated with other religions.

This is an interesting point.  I guess, for me, it works like this: atheism is a religion for only the people who adamantly claim they KNOW there is no god.  Most atheists I know are like myself in that we simply assume there is no god due to the lack of evidence for one.  In other words, we take a skeptical position but still admit that we don't know anything more about the divine than anyone else.

Agnostics are probably the true non-religion because they don't make any assumptions whatsoever and simply say they have no idea if there's a god or not.  That's a hard position to adhere to in the long run because of the uncertainty.

Personally, I have no belief in a god or afterlife, but I still admit that anything's possible.  I simply side with whatever is the most logically likely.

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As much as I like Catholicism (the teachings of Jesus and a few of the rituals), I must say agnosticism seems to be better than any of the two extremes. Usually, when someone makes a claim, they are obligated to back that up with proof rather than others to disprove it. Therefore, if one doesn't insinuate there is/is not any sort of deity, there is no reason to bother over that detail. It seems the only downside to being agnostic is that Stephen Colbert will see you as an "atheist without balls".

DesertFox- wrote:

As much as I like Catholicism (the teachings of Jesus and a few of the rituals), I must say agnosticism seems to be better than any of the two extremes. Usually, when someone makes a claim, they are obligated to back that up with proof rather than others to disprove it. Therefore, if one doesn't insinuate there is/is not any sort of deity, there is no reason to bother over that detail. It seems the only downside to being agnostic is that Stephen Colbert will see you as an "atheist without balls".

I was raised (and confirmed) Catholic, and there are many things I dislike and like about the religion and ceremonies.

Agnosticism (to me) explains that a person may or may not be concerned with whether or not there is a god, but understands the impossibility of proving the impossible.  Theism explains that a person is concerned with whether or not there is a god, and chooses to rely on faith to assuage that concern.  Atheism (to me) explains that a person is not concerned at all with whether or not there is a god, and doesn't waste effort (except for on forums trying to explain that idea/view) on that abstract idea.

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DesertFox- wrote:

Bell wrote:

Agnosticism isn't really a half way like it's made out to be.  If you're agnostic, you only say that you think the knowledge about a God is unknowable.  It doesn't answer the question do you believe.

You can be an agnostic atheist (I see no reason to believe therefor I won't) or an agnostic theist (I see no reason not to believe therefor I shall).  You tend not to see many agnostic theists in truth.

Martyn

That's what I like about it. People get judged on that question all the time, which is just utter bigotry for whoever judges someone else on just that. I don't think I have agnostic tendencies because that implies "it is impossible to know" about a deity but rather I am more like "it doesn't matter".

That would seem to me more atheist than agnostic.

ATG wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

You make the stupidest threads I've seen.

I can tell.

That's just immature an unnecessary. You're threads are full of pure prejudice and narrow-minded views and many of your comments, such as the formerly stated, are plain immature. So much of what you said is based off of no supporting facts, complete generalization and (like I said) 100% prejudice.

I'm sorry but current religion is a joke. Heaven and hell don't exist. They aren't tangible entities. They are metaphors for what you experience when you live your life like religion tries to teach you. God isn't an "Almighty Creator". He is a figure, a role model, for how you SHOULD live your life. Religion was meant to be like the Ancient Greek and Roman Myths that incorporate heros, role models, and their counterparts for the sole reason to teach you thing's in life to how you should live it. Religion is supposed to be like Buddhism is today. A philosophy on how you should live you're life, not only for the betterment of humanity, but for the world. Shinto is close to that in the fact that it focuses more on nature in general, as we are also part of nature.

I, for a fact, don't know a single Christian that views Muhammad as a terrorist. There are people who generalize the followers of Muhammad to be terrorists, even though that isn't right as well; not the generalization part anyways. 

So, please ATG, stop making stupid threads full of generalization, stop making immature posts and comments, and ffs, stop being so damn prejudicial.

Will some mod please lock this thread for the reasons I've previously stated?

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