blademaster
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Embaresid by yor speling? Never you mind.

Fed up with his students' complete inability to spell common English correctly, a British academic has suggested it may be time to accept "variant spellings" as legitimate.

Rather than grammarians getting in a huff about "argument" being spelled "arguement" or "opportunity" as "opertunity," why not accept anything that's phonetically (fonetickly anyone?) correct as long as it can be understood?"Instead of complaining about the state of the education system as we correct the same mistakes year after year, I've got a better idea," Ken Smith, a criminology lecturer at Bucks New University, wrote in the Times Higher Education Supplement.

"University teachers should simply accept as variant spelling those words our students most commonly misspell."To kickstart his proposal, Smith suggested 10 common misspellings that should immediately be accepted into the pantheon of variants, including "ignor," "occured," "thier," "truely," "speach" and "twelth" (it should be "twelfth").

Then of course there are words like "misspelt" (often spelled "mispelt"), not to mention "varient," a commonly used variant of "variant.""There are enormous advantages in having a coherent system of spelling," he told the Times newspaper.Yet even some of Britain's greatest wordsmiths have acknowledged it's a language with irritating quirkiness.

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Turquoise
O Canada
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Instead of writing for the Times Higher Education Supplement, maybe this should've been covered by the High Times Education Supplement.
mtb0minime
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Pure retardation. I hope this guy isn't serious, and this shit had better not catch on. I can't believe people are actually considering letting stupidity become even more acceptable than it already is!
blademaster
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mtb0minime wrote:

Pure retardation. I hope this guy isn't serious, and this shit had better not catch on. I can't believe people are actually considering letting stupidity become even more acceptable than it already is!
hahaha good thing they didnt come up with this in US
jord
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Yeah I watched this a few days ago and don't really care either way. I don't get anal about spelling even though mine is fine.

Damn those stupid Brits.
PureFodder
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mtb0minime wrote:

Pure retardation. I hope this guy isn't serious, and this shit had better not catch on. I can't believe people are actually considering letting stupidity become even more acceptable than it already is!
Just being neighbourly, but when you run through all the commonly misspelled words and get to the centre of the matter, you may find your true colours coming out. Accepting common changes in spelling ahouldn't be a sulphur and brimstone issue.
DesertFox-
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PureFodder wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Pure retardation. I hope this guy isn't serious, and this shit had better not catch on. I can't believe people are actually considering letting stupidity become even more acceptable than it already is!
Just being neighbourly, but when you run through all the commonly misspelled words and get to the centre of the matter, you may find your true colours coming out. Accepting common changes in spelling ahouldn't be a sulphur and brimstone issue.
Wow, that bothered me so much, especially the true misspelling of "shouldn't".

Seriously, though. That move would be catering those who give up. It's certainly not a difficult subject to master.
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
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IMHO why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand. This brings to my mind that old "A rceent sutdy at Cmabigre Uvineritsy fuond taht...." email. Then we could stop focusing on teaching grammar and spelling so much, especially useless points of it, and start focusing more on what matters like science, medicine, math, etc..

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imortal
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Didn't the English standardize the language to form a coherent single written language and help solidify the nation and keep the language from drifting?
imortal
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xBlackPantherx wrote:

IMHO why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand. This brings to my mind that old "A rceent sutdy at Cmabigre Uvineritsy fuond taht...." email. Then we could stop focusing on teaching grammar and spelling so much, especially useless points of it, and start focusing more on what matters like science, medicine, math, etc..
Precision is needed; in science and medicine most especially.  Is there any real difference in your Illium and your Illeum?  Well, one refers to one of your hip bones, and the other to a portion of your small intestines.  So, would you not like your 'dokter' to know which one to operate on?
xBlackPantherx
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imortal wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

IMHO why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand. This brings to my mind that old "A rceent sutdy at Cmabigre Uvineritsy fuond taht...." email. Then we could stop focusing on teaching grammar and spelling so much, especially useless points of it, and start focusing more on what matters like science, medicine, math, etc..
Precision is needed; in science and medicine most especially.  Is there any real difference in your Illium and your Illeum?  Well, one refers to one of your hip bones, and the other to a portion of your small intestines.  So, would you not like your 'dokter' to know which one to operate on?
That's why I said "why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand". That would be a case in which writing one extra letter is needed. It's just about coherence.
PureFodder
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DesertFox- wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Pure retardation. I hope this guy isn't serious, and this shit had better not catch on. I can't believe people are actually considering letting stupidity become even more acceptable than it already is!
Just being neighbourly, but when you run through all the commonly misspelled words and get to the centre of the matter, you may find your true colours coming out. Accepting common changes in spelling ahouldn't be a sulphur and brimstone issue.
Wow, that bothered me so much, especially the true misspelling of "shouldn't".

Seriously, though. That move would be catering those who give up. It's certainly not a difficult subject to master.
I'm not saying I'm against US spelling, it's not like you can't read it if you learn UK English. It's just a fact that Americans being annoyed at duel spelling for words is a slightly poorly thought out stance.

The English language is full of utterly stupid spellings. Words that aren't pronounced in the same way as they are spelt and several spellings for similar sounds.

Why not 'tidy up' the language a bit, remove those silent letters and standardise spelling rather than the fairly incoherent rules of spelling used in English. Spelling through 'thru' just makes more sense. Words have changed spelling many times in the past. Words like connexion which is now connection.
imortal
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xBlackPantherx wrote:

imortal wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

IMHO why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand. This brings to my mind that old "A rceent sutdy at Cmabigre Uvineritsy fuond taht...." email. Then we could stop focusing on teaching grammar and spelling so much, especially useless points of it, and start focusing more on what matters like science, medicine, math, etc..
Precision is needed; in science and medicine most especially.  Is there any real difference in your Illium and your Illeum?  Well, one refers to one of your hip bones, and the other to a portion of your small intestines.  So, would you not like your 'dokter' to know which one to operate on?
That's why I said "why would it matter if they spell it right as long as you understand". That would be a case in which writing one extra letter is needed. It's just about coherence.
The problem is the basis for education.  If you go through school learning that spelling does not matter, it is difficult to do a 180 turn to spelling is of critical importance.  You can have one or the other: choose. 

It is very critical to have a set of standards for spelling.  Even now, when we misspell words, we can usually get the meaning, because we can look at context and take the spelling into account.  Say this is not the case.  If you take away standard spellings, not much will change for a while.  But after 20 or 30 years, enough drift will have occured that there will effectively be 4 or 5 different modes of the written english language.  Then, misunderstandings are much more common.

This entire argument is a victory for the public education systems worldwide, and a blow to actual education.
AussieReaper
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What's next, we lose grammatically correct sentences?

I would have thought with today's spell checkers built into our word documents and now browser integration it would be harder to spell incorrectly.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
mtb0minime
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Dual spelling is fine. Favourite = Favorite. I understand.

But when people get lazy and don't feel like learning the correct way to spell certain words, it's ridiculous. We shouldn't have to cater to unintelligent people who spend so much time and energy demanding that thier virshons uv thuh werdz ar kereckt when they could just as easily bother learning to spell correctly.
Turquoise
O Canada
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PureFodder wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


Just being neighbourly, but when you run through all the commonly misspelled words and get to the centre of the matter, you may find your true colours coming out. Accepting common changes in spelling ahouldn't be a sulphur and brimstone issue.
Wow, that bothered me so much, especially the true misspelling of "shouldn't".

Seriously, though. That move would be catering those who give up. It's certainly not a difficult subject to master.
I'm not saying I'm against US spelling, it's not like you can't read it if you learn UK English. It's just a fact that Americans being annoyed at duel spelling for words is a slightly poorly thought out stance.

The English language is full of utterly stupid spellings. Words that aren't pronounced in the same way as they are spelt and several spellings for similar sounds.

Why not 'tidy up' the language a bit, remove those silent letters and standardise spelling rather than the fairly incoherent rules of spelling used in English. Spelling through 'thru' just makes more sense. Words have changed spelling many times in the past. Words like connexion which is now connection.
Good points, but we'll be speaking mostly Spanish here in a few decades anyway.  Not that I'm complaining though...  Spanish is a lot easier than English.
mtb0minime
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The whole reason English is becoming so mainstream though is because of how compact a language it is. I'll be riding the bus and see a warning that in English says "Door opens inward" and in Spanish it's ridiculously longer. Plus there's stuff like adding "de-" or "un-" or "re-" or other prefixes (and suffixes too) that is very simple for changing the meaning of a word, but in other languages it's a whole different word or something much longer.
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
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Thing is, if you're going to do this, you have to be consistent.

Case in point, US English. They spell it "program", yet any suffixes still use UK English, "programmer".

Not to mention allowing it as "thier" is fucking retarded.

blademaster wrote:

"argument" /ban
"opertunity" /ban
"fonetickly" /banban
"ignor" /ban
"occured" /spose
"thier" /ban
"truely" /spose
"speach" /ban
"twelth" /oh well how about that, "twelfth"
"mispelt" /lol irony, aka /ban
"varient" /banspose
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FatherTed
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a spelling reform is in order tbh, the Germans had one a few years ago and it's been widely accepted.
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imortal
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FatherTed wrote:

a spelling reform is in order tbh, the Germans had one a few years ago and it's been widely accepted.
I would be more inclined to accept that then to end all spelling standardizations.  It would also be nice to get British (or proper) english and American English back on the same track.
TrollmeaT
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Morons.
FatherTed
xD
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imortal wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

a spelling reform is in order tbh, the Germans had one a few years ago and it's been widely accepted.
I would be more inclined to accept that then to end all spelling standardizations.  It would also be nice to get British (or proper) english and American English back on the same track.
Agreed.

The way the Germans did it, lots of people sat down with books and shit, and just changed grammer and words to better suit the entire german speaking peoples (note: not just Germany) as a whole. And its worked, worked really well.

Anything that can standerdise English is a good thing imho
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imortal
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TrollmeaT wrote:

Morons.
Quite a captivating commentary, but perhaps you could be a bit more specific for those of us who are unable to catch the proper nuance of your position?
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