Braddock
Agitator
+916|6710|Éire
Following on from a thread a few days ago highlighting a Unionist politician's desire to have creationism taught in science classes we have yet another story of backward, unenlightened thinking from a high ranking Unionist politician.

"In June, Stranford MP Iris Robinson caused a storm when she said homosexuality was an abomination and she had a psychiatrist working in her office who had "cured" gay people. Other psychiatrists distanced themselves from these views, saying homosexuality was not an illness and did not require medical treatment. Neither Dr Miller nor the DUP are commenting on reports that he has taken a career break from a north Belfast hospital and has stepped down as Mrs Robinson's adviser."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some militant Republican who blindly hates Unionists, I'm actually a believer that we all have to get along on this island and peacefully respect each other's beliefs but this stone age thinking that many seemingly intelligent, high ranking Unionist politicians display is just mind-boggling.

Does anyone here actually think gayness can be cured? Bearing in mind that homosexuality is also seen in the animal kingdom.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7162|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
not only that, she is on Hansard stating that Gay people are comparable to child molesters, which she then  tried to back peddle on. I hate Bigots it's like we're governed by the Westboro Church here at the minute.  Saw this quality letter to her.

Dear Iris...
THANK you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and
how to follow them. My important Biblically-based questions are listed
below the fold. I know you have studied these things extensively and
thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you
can help.



1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to the Irish, but not English people.
Can you clarify? Why can't I own some Englishmen?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?


3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is: my neighbours.
They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wriggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we
do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.

Your adoring fan,
Gonzo

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-13 07:08:19)

JahManRed
wank
+646|7048|IRELAND

I don't know whats more troubling. That this is coming from one of our Representatives or that she is the First Minister's wife.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7255|Kubra, Damn it!

No, I don't think it's possible to "cure" a chemical reaction in someone's brain. They may be able to brainwash them to the point where they believe they're not gay anymore and supress their physical desires, but is that really a better way to live?
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7162|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
JahManRed
wank
+646|7048|IRELAND

"Iris Robinson will not be rebuked by Prime Minister Gordon Brown over her comments on homosexuality, Downing Street has said."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7560747.stm

Now I wonder what brown would have said if she had insulted Black ppl. This effectively gives her comments legitimacy. I have a gay friend who says at least one person is randomly assaulted outside the Kremlin (Belfast Gay club) every weekend and usually hospitalised. This bitch labeling them as, as good a child molesters gives these idiot thugs legitimacy in their own minds.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6710|Éire

JahManRed wrote:

"Iris Robinson will not be rebuked by Prime Minister Gordon Brown over her comments on homosexuality, Downing Street has said."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7560747.stm

Now I wonder what brown would have said if she had insulted Black ppl. This effectively gives her comments legitimacy. I have a gay friend who says at least one person is randomly assaulted outside the Kremlin (Belfast Gay club) every weekend and usually hospitalised. This bitch labeling them as, as good a child molesters gives these idiot thugs legitimacy in their own minds.
It's appalling the level of intolerance shown by certain camps in the North and shame on Gordon for legitimizing their bigotry.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7162|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
I see today that Northern Irish Students lead the UK in the "A" Level results (as they do most years I believe), and yet you get vote results like this in the local Protestant Loyalist newspaper, that's why the DUP are in power, it's hardly surprising tbh..

Edit : you need to select "should creationism be taught in science classes" from the vote results menu

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/template/Vo … onID=26039

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-14 06:40:00)

JahManRed
wank
+646|7048|IRELAND

IG-Calibre wrote:

I see today that Northern Irish Students lead the UK in the "A" Level results (as they do most years I believe), and yet you get vote results like this in the local Protestant Loyalist newspaper, that's why the DUP are in power, it's hardly surprising tbh..

Edit : you need to select "should creationism be taught in science classes" from the vote results menu

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/template/Vo … onID=26039
33% No 
67% Yes

That's what Sunday school from 4 does to you. Indoctrinated and programed from an early age. I have worked for some fundamentalist christian protestants farmers and they all have the same personalities. Talk the same stuff. 
They keep the tidiest farms and work the hardest on them too.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7105|United States of America
I've been following this topic since it was posted but I still don't know what to say beyond "you have some crazy mother-effers in your country". This really is a nasty side of Christianity with religious beliefs that haven't evolved to reflect the times. These folks are still living at some time in the last millennium. Plus, I was under the impression that only the Southern U.S. is able to get away with that sort of idiocy.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6710|Éire

JahManRed wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I see today that Northern Irish Students lead the UK in the "A" Level results (as they do most years I believe), and yet you get vote results like this in the local Protestant Loyalist newspaper, that's why the DUP are in power, it's hardly surprising tbh..

Edit : you need to select "should creationism be taught in science classes" from the vote results menu

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/template/Vo … onID=26039
33% No 
67% Yes

That's what Sunday school from 4 does to you. Indoctrinated and programed from an early age. I have worked for some fundamentalist christian protestants farmers and they all have the same personalities. Talk the same stuff. 
They keep the tidiest farms and work the hardest on them too.
We need to unify North and South quicksmart and save you guys from a future filled with biblical nonsense!
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6710|Éire

DesertFox- wrote:

I've been following this topic since it was posted but I still don't know what to say beyond "you have some crazy mother-effers in your country". This really is a nasty side of Christianity with religious beliefs that haven't evolved to reflect the times. These folks are still living at some time in the last millennium. Plus, I was under the impression that only the Southern U.S. is able to get away with that sort of idiocy.
That's what I had thought too, I knew my Protestant counterparts in the North were hardcore bible fanboys but I never actually realised how deep in the sand they had their heads buried.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7162|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

JahManRed wrote:

They keep the tidiest farms and work the hardest on them too.
i'm in no way knocking the hard working Presbyterian work ethic, in fact i'd like to think a little of it shines through in me thanks to my genes courtesy of the plantation, but it's the Westboro-esk Baptist christian / Free Presbyterian bigotry does for me..  Wait till we get the Ulster Unionists into the Dáil lads then Ireland will know a thing or two
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6920|so randum
i bet qub is run by them
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7162|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
haha - believe me man, when my balls were bust or I was given a hard time at Queens it was always caused by someone called like Mervin, or William who i'd bet wore Orange sash's - because by my name there is no mistaking my background..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-14 09:32:28)

FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6920|so randum

IG-Calibre wrote:

haha - believe me man, when my balls were bust at Queens it was always caused by someone called either Mervin, or William because by my name there is no mistaking my background..
got any good contacts at queens?
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

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