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Freezer7Pro wrote:

max wrote:

jamiet757 wrote:

It is not the difference between idle and load we are talking about, it is leaving your computer on all day so it can fold. That makes a huge difference. When you aren't using it, instead of letting it run a program all day, shut it off.

A good PC uses maybe 200W when folding. Assuming a electricity price of 10c/kWh you have to pay 48c for a day of folding vs. leaving your PC off. If you use your PC during the day and continue folding during the night the added cost is something like 20c/day. If you can afford a PC you can afford that too.

That.

only 200W?  doesn't folding put your CPU usage at 100% all of the time?

DeathUnlimited wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

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only 200W?  doesn't folding put your CPU usage at 100% all of the time?

Most non-overclocked CPUs are 65W max. Your quad OC'd is more though. Still, added your OC'd CPU and GPU would take approx. 350W at highest.

I still can't find the damn watt-meter thing...I had no idea it used that little energy.  Folding it is then.

haffeysucks wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

only 200W?  doesn't folding put your CPU usage at 100% all of the time?

Most non-overclocked CPUs are 65W max. Your quad OC'd is more though. Still, added your OC'd CPU and GPU would take approx. 350W at highest.

I still can't find the damn watt-meter thing...I had no idea it used that little energy.  Folding it is then.

I take no responsibility in my estimations, don't blame me if you get a huge electricity bill

Anyways the point is that FAH can do much more good than it costs. Think of it like charity. I am willing to donate some money in the form of a little bigger elecricity bill to actually help solving problems about diseases that widely affect so many people.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

Most non-overclocked CPUs are 65W max. Your quad OC'd is more though. Still, added your OC'd CPU and GPU would take approx. 350W at highest.

I still can't find the damn watt-meter thing...I had no idea it used that little energy.  Folding it is then.

What did you think a PC used, 1kW?

I assumed at load it used an amount near the total watts provided by the PSU, something a little under 600W

max wrote:

jamiet757 wrote:

max wrote:

The difference of power usage between idle and load isn't all that big. The added environmental cost (which in case you're using non-fossil power sources like nuclear or water is null) is peanuts in comparison to the benefit of curing diseases.

EDIT: haffey, you live in CT, open a window if your room is hot

It is not the difference between idle and load we are talking about, it is leaving your computer on all day so it can fold. That makes a huge difference. When you aren't using it, instead of letting it run a program all day, shut it off.

A good PC uses maybe 200W when folding. Assuming a electricity price of 10c/kWh you have to pay 48c for a day of folding vs. leaving your PC off. If you use your PC during the day and continue folding during the night the added cost is something like 20c/day. If you can afford a PC you can afford that too.

For the last time, I am not talking about affording the energy costs, I am talking about the environment. It is not ok to leave things on all day just because you can afford to.

Apparently I am the only person who cares about global warming, and our dependence on fossil fuels, and it is because of people like all you guys that the world is in the situation that it is in.

You guys are all talking about "how much the electricity bill is going to be," and that "if you can afford a PC you can afford to pay the electricity on it."

That is not at all what I am talking about, I am talking about the fact that here in Pennsylvania for instance, around 98% of our electricity comes from coal. It dumps millions of tons of C02 into the air every year. People leaving their computers and TV's and lights on all day and all night just because they can afford to is why we have global warming, and don't start with that "Global warming is a myth" bullshit, because think about this:

If we reduce our carbon emissions and global warming turns out to be a myth, so what, we saved some money and some resources.
BUT if global warming is true, then it is a damn good thing that we did something. So either way, we should be trying to reduce our carbon emissions.




AND Just for clarification, the Watts that is listed in the CPU specs is not the amount of electricity the CPU uses, it is the Thermal Power, or the maximum amount of heat dissipation required for that CPU. So when you say, My Dore 2 Duo uses 65W of power, you are dead wrong.
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Last edited by jamiet757 (2008-08-14 15:37:13)

jamiet757 wrote:

max wrote:

jamiet757 wrote:

It is not the difference between idle and load we are talking about, it is leaving your computer on all day so it can fold. That makes a huge difference. When you aren't using it, instead of letting it run a program all day, shut it off.

A good PC uses maybe 200W when folding. Assuming a electricity price of 10c/kWh you have to pay 48c for a day of folding vs. leaving your PC off. If you use your PC during the day and continue folding during the night the added cost is something like 20c/day. If you can afford a PC you can afford that too.

For the last time, I am not talking about affording the energy costs, I am talking about the environment. It is not ok to leave things on all day just because you can afford to.

Apparently I am the only person who cares about global warming, and our dependence on fossil fuels, and it is because of people like all you guys that the world is in the situation that it is in.

You guys are all talking about "how much the electricity bill is going to be," and that "if you can afford a PC you can afford to pay the electricity on it."

That is not at all what I am talking about, I am talking about the fact that here in Pennsylvania for instance, around 98% of our electricity comes from coal. It dumps millions of tons of C02 into the air every year. People leaving their computers and TV's and lights on all day and all night just because they can afford to is why we have global warming, and don't start with that "Global warming is a myth" bullshit, because think about this:

If we reduce our carbon emissions and global warming turns out to be a myth, so what, we saved some money and some resources.
BUT if global warming is true, then it is a damn good thing that we did something. So either way, we should be trying to reduce our carbon emissions.

Your fridge probably eats more than your computer.

jamiet757 wrote:

max wrote:

And I care about not getting Alzheimer, Parkinsons, not dieing of cancer, ...

EDIT: I absolutely agree that we should reduce eliminate our dependency on fossil fuel. I for one, get all my power from nuclear power

Great, Nuclear power is very very clean, it is slightly dangerous, but if handled well it is fine. And I didn't say that I don't care about curing diseases. For those of us who get our power from clean and renewable resources, fold all you want. For those who get it from dirty resources (oil, coal, etc.) you should be trying to save your energy.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Your fridge probably eats more than your computer.

You are right, but I can't very well turn off my fridge during the day when I am not using it can I? But I sure as fuck can turn off my computer.

What I'm saying, is that your computer is such an insignifigant addition. You could probably save more by stripping your car off of it's spare tyre.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

jamiet757 wrote:

max wrote:

And I care about not getting Alzheimer, Parkinsons, not dieing of cancer, ...

EDIT: I absolutely agree that we should reduce eliminate our dependency on fossil fuel. I for one, get all my power from nuclear power

Great, Nuclear power is very very clean, it is slightly dangerous, but if handled well it is fine. And I didn't say that I don't care about curing diseases. For those of us who get our power from clean and renewable resources, fold all you want. For those who get it from dirty resources (oil, coal, etc.) you should be trying to save your energy.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Your fridge probably eats more than your computer.

You are right, but I can't very well turn off my fridge during the day when I am not using it can I? But I sure as fuck can turn off my computer.

What I'm saying, is that your computer is such an insignifigant addition. You could probably save more by stripping your car off of it's spare tyre.

Once again, yes you could, but if you get a flat, you need your spare tire. Turn off the things that you can turn off, even if it is small. I can turn off my lamp when I am not in the room, yes it may only be a little bit, but if millions of people turn off their lamp when they leave the room, that will save a lot of energy.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

jamiet757 wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

What I'm saying, is that your computer is such an insignifigant addition. You could probably save more by stripping your car off of it's spare tyre.

Once again, yes you could, but if you get a flat, you need your spare tire. Turn off the things that you can turn off, even if it is small. I can turn off my lamp when I am not in the room, yes it may only be a little bit, but if millions of people turn off their lamp when they leave the room, that will save a lot of energy.

But, folding IS using the PC. Just like word processing and gaming, only that you don't have the screen on.

Whatever, I give up, you are obviously hopeless you will never understand what I am trying to say.

I see what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. I consider the benefit of the research to outweigh the environmental cost of folding.

EDIT: IMO it's like saying we shouldn't use ambulances because they pollute

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jamiet757 wrote:

max wrote:

I see what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. I consider the benefit of the research to outweigh the environmental cost of folding.

EDIT: IMO it's like saying we shouldn't use ambulances because they pollute

That is why polar bears are dying.

Think of it this way: Stanford are running some very power-hungry servers at their place, to support the load of all folding that already is taking place. You wouldn't want that going to waste, would you?

And polar bears don't care if it's .05C warmer.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-08-14 15:49:13)

this is the funniest argument i've ever read in a topic where I least expected it.

max wrote:

You're a hypocrite. You apparently have no problem with using your PC for recreation but curing diseases on it kills polar bears

You may not karma the same person in a 24 hour period. I withdraw my last argument.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-08-14 15:55:27)