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I had an idea similar to that....  We could negotiate a missile defense shield based out of all the former Soviet states just to really piss them off and to make the statement that if they invade any of them from here on, we'll nuke the shit out of Russia.

dayarath wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I had an idea similar to that....  We could negotiate a missile defense shield based out of all the former Soviet states just to really piss them off and to make the statement that if they invade any of them from here on, we'll nuke the shit out of Russia.

They've got 40.000 nukes in their backyard, I think that if we'd nuke them they'd make sure an M.A.D would be the consequence. I can see them doing that really.

isolating is good but they've got a real strong hand on oil / gas supplies into europe // georgia regions so pissing them off might also have consequences for us.

Very true, but wouldn't you rather move your energy dependence away from Russia anyway?  I mean, the Middle East is bad enough in its own right, but Russia actually has the power to invade your countries.

Turquoise wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I had an idea similar to that....  We could negotiate a missile defense shield based out of all the former Soviet states just to really piss them off and to make the statement that if they invade any of them from here on, we'll nuke the shit out of Russia.

They've got 40.000 nukes in their backyard, I think that if we'd nuke them they'd make sure an M.A.D would be the consequence. I can see them doing that really.

isolating is good but they've got a real strong hand on oil / gas supplies into europe // georgia regions so pissing them off might also have consequences for us.

Very true, but wouldn't you rather move your energy dependence away from Russia anyway?  I mean, the Middle East is bad enough in its own right, but Russia actually has the power to invade your countries.

If by countries you mean the old USSR then yeah.

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

dayarath wrote:

They've got 40.000 nukes in their backyard, I think that if we'd nuke them they'd make sure an M.A.D would be the consequence. I can see them doing that really.

isolating is good but they've got a real strong hand on oil / gas supplies into europe // georgia regions so pissing them off might also have consequences for us.

Very true, but wouldn't you rather move your energy dependence away from Russia anyway?  I mean, the Middle East is bad enough in its own right, but Russia actually has the power to invade your countries.

If by countries you mean the old USSR then yeah.

Well, picture this.  Let's say we let Russia take over their old satellite states.  What's going to stop them from expanding further?

Russia's military would get trashed by ours in a conventional fight. Plus, if they did invade towards the west, European countries not getting invaded might actually fight back. If they all recognized the threat, they could band together (cue sucky Red Alert analogy). Basically, I don't think invasion by conventional forces is something to be afraid of  in regards to Russia. Nukes, yes, but Putin and Medvedev like their power more than ending the world. I don't think they would use them.

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

jord wrote:

If by countries you mean the old USSR then yeah.

Well, picture this.  Let's say we let Russia take over their old satellite states.  What's going to stop them from expanding further?

Invading an EU state would be met with military action.

The EU is powerful, but I get the impression Russia could still beat you or at least badly wound you.  Even if you won, it would be at a great cost.

Granted, we'd definitely be wounded after fighting them too.  I just wonder how far Russia is willing to go before MAD really kicks in.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-08-14 15:38:48)

Turquoise wrote:

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, picture this.  Let's say we let Russia take over their old satellite states.  What's going to stop them from expanding further?

Invading an EU state would be met with military action.

The EU is powerful, but I get the impression Russia could still beat you or at least badly wound you.  Even if you won, it would be at a great cost.

Granted, we'd definitely be wounded after fighting them too.  I just wonder if how far Russia is willing to go before MAD really kicks in.

well I'm not worried about fighting russia's military really, if all the 27 EU member states declare war on Russia it's hell. Especially concerning that an absolute minimum of the population of each country is in the military. Imagine what would happen with a draft... we have the equipment and training too.

What I'm worried about is that we can't financially sustain ourselves in a period of war, especially if it lasts more than on year. You know we're big on socialism here and honestly some things are good imo, social healthcare, government help with alot of stuff etc. But many countries already say they're pushing the limit. How are we supposed to financially keep up with ourselves in war, it'll ruin us.

it'll be a war in which many lives are lost though, ofcourse the cost will be great on such a scale.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-08-14 15:42:50)

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

jord wrote:

Invading an EU state would be met with military action.

The EU is powerful, but I get the impression Russia could still beat you or at least badly wound you.  Even if you won, it would be at a great cost.

Granted, we'd definitely be wounded after fighting them too.  I just wonder how far Russia is willing to go before MAD really kicks in.

Well MAD applies to everyone because the EU has a load of Nukes too, so the great cost would be the real big cost of destroying most of the worlds land and it's people. As well as Global changes to the planet and the other effects.

The EU as a whole could beat Russia. But even if we won there'd be a great cost.

Here's an idea...  What if the EU and America teamed up against Russia?  Plenty of death and destruction would occur, but I wonder if we'd be a large enough force that the damage would spread thin enough for things to turn out better than either of us fighting separately against them....

Turquoise wrote:

jord wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

The EU is powerful, but I get the impression Russia could still beat you or at least badly wound you.  Even if you won, it would be at a great cost.

Granted, we'd definitely be wounded after fighting them too.  I just wonder how far Russia is willing to go before MAD really kicks in.

Well MAD applies to everyone because the EU has a load of Nukes too, so the great cost would be the real big cost of destroying most of the worlds land and it's people. As well as Global changes to the planet and the other effects.

The EU as a whole could beat Russia. But even if we won there'd be a great cost.

Here's an idea...  What if the EU and America teamed up against Russia?  Plenty of death and destruction would occur, but I wonder if we'd be a large enough force that the damage would spread thin enough for things to turn out better than either of us fighting separately against them....

Yeah, and that would make China to do whatever they would want after / during the war occurs.  And Iran to do whatever they want.  And North Korea to drop the only nuke they have on South Korea.

Attacking Russia would be the dumbest thing any country could do, the same as attacking China, Iran, etc.

The only time war has a point to it is when you actually take the others guys shit off him and keep it. A proportion of land for each of the allies.

One less worry, more resources in the long run.

Last edited by jord (2008-08-14 15:50:13)

dayarath wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i thought NATO was created for precisely this situation.  Well, mobilize EU....get rolling.

NATO is so divided all of the time... I doubt that anyone there would actually do anything unless Russia launched a full scale attack on mainland EU

Not to mention...  isn't Russia a partial member of NATO or something?  I thought they became part of it recently.

Turquoise wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Here's an idea...  What if the EU and America teamed up against Russia?  Plenty of death and destruction would occur, but I wonder if we'd be a large enough force that the damage would spread thin enough for things to turn out better than either of us fighting separately against them....

Yeah, and that would make China to do whatever they would want after / during the war occurs.  And Iran to do whatever they want.  And North Korea to drop the only nuke they have on South Korea.

Attacking Russia would be the dumbest thing any country could do, the same as attacking China, Iran, etc.

Then I suppose you would support us getting more involved in stationing troops in areas vulnerable to attacks by China or Russia, in order to discourage them from trying anything.

That would stretch forces for the different front lines there would be.

Best option is to defend yourself when the time is needed, not go out attacking everybody everywhere.